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Gillfan

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Re: I'm boycotting Marvel Comics for a bit.
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2012, 06:43:43 AM »
Why would Marvel need to send ANYONE out to promote a film that is not theirs? Ghost Rider movie rights belong to Sony Pictures, not Marvel/Disney.

Marvel would benefit from renewed interest in Ghost Rider. Even if they did not specifically promote the film, doing a Ghost Rider promotion around the time of the film release would benefit them.

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Re: I'm boycotting Marvel Comics for a bit.
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2012, 12:00:45 PM »
Sigh.... the comics industry has treated its talent like crap for pretty much its entire history.  Marvel has made big money off of the Ghost Rider movie and merchandise, while the character's creator gets stiffed.  So he tries to claim some of what should rightfully be his -- and gets slammed by the courts, ending up owing Marvel.  There's what the law says is right -- and then there's what's right.  And this isn't right.  Blaming Gary for the negative outcome of trying to stand up to an industry that has systematically taken advantage of its talent (and a court system that tends to favor corporations over individuals) is essentially blaming the victim. 

It wouldn't have hurt Marvel one iota to have cut Gary a sizeable royalty check on the movie sale and merchandise sales -- DC does that all the time -- my pal Graham Nolan gets a nice check for the use of Bane in the upcoming Batman movie, for example.  Original GR artist Mike Ploog deserves a check, too -- though even the credits in the first GR comic story reflect the fact that this is Gary's creation.

Yes, Marvel already owned the trademark on the NAME -- having published the Western comic with the same title -- a title Marvel scavenged when the trademark on the original Magazine Enterprises Ghost Rider comics series ran out.  Same thing they did with the Capt. Marvel trademark.  But the concept and character of the modern day GR came from Gary -- and if Marvel would have done right by him in the first place, there would likely not have been a lawsuit.

Anyone who would like to donate a few bucks to help Gary pay off the $17K judgement against him can do so here at Steve Niles' website: http://www.steveniles.com/gary.html.

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Re: I'm boycotting Marvel Comics for a bit.
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2012, 03:35:50 PM »
Marvel would benefit from renewed interest in Ghost Rider. Even if they did not specifically promote the film, doing a Ghost Rider promotion around the time of the film release would benefit them.

Not really. They've been trying to relaunch the comic for years now, but it keeps failing.  And the last movie did NOTHING to increase sales, or even keep the book afloat. Sad to say, but their money is probably better spent elsewhere.
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Re: I'm boycotting Marvel Comics for a bit.
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2012, 12:14:15 PM »
It's very sad situation. I think Marvel is being both petty and vindictive, yet it's not totally black and white. I think there's still some debate over who really created the character and certainly Ploog and Thomas have some justified claims as well. My blogging partner and I had a discussion of this last week that garnered a lot of well-thought out responses. You can read it here: http://bronzeagebabies.blogspot.com/2012/02/gary-friedrich-situation-of-corporate.html

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Re: I'm boycotting Marvel Comics for a bit.
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2012, 12:22:23 PM »
It's very sad situation. I think Marvel is being both petty and vindictive, yet it's not totally black and white. I think there's still some debate over who really created the character and certainly Ploog and Thomas have some justified claims as well. My blogging partner and I had a discussion of this last week that garnered a lot of well-thought out responses. You can read it here: http://bronzeagebabies.blogspot.com/2012/02/gary-friedrich-situation-of-corporate.html


You brought up Siegel and Shuster. They, too sadly signed away the rights to their creation, with no idea of just how massive the property would become. Comic book creators in the 30's and 40's had to work their asses off just to make ends meet (I understand in a way it's still like that!), and they had no idea what impact their work would or would not make on future generations. They did it because they loved it, and sadly were never properly compensated for their efforts.

It seems to be that way in a lot of the creative fields. I know people like Robert Fripp have been very vocal about how the recording industry sucks the life out of artists, without giving a damn about them as creators. The creators create the product, and see very little in monetary compensation for their efforts. One good thing the internet has done is allow musicians direct access to their fans in a way that doesn't involve touring or mass mailings. These musicians can reap the benefits of their creativity with more control.

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Re: I'm boycotting Marvel Comics for a bit.
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2012, 12:33:37 PM »
I'm  just curious; how was Bob Kane able to keep the rights to Batman, yet  many of his contempoaries at the time, Siegel & Shuster , Simon & Kirby etc., had to give up the rights to THEIR creations?
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Re: I'm boycotting Marvel Comics for a bit.
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2012, 12:42:42 PM »
I'm  just curious; how was Bob Kane able to keep the rights to Batman, yet  many of his contempoaries at the time, Siegel & Shuster , Simon & Kirby etc., had to give up the rights to THEIR creations?

Perhaps he was more business savvy than S&S. This is from wikipedia:

Kane, who had already submitted the proposal for Batman at DC and held a contract, is the only person given official company credit for Batman's creation. Comics historian Ron Goulart, in Comic Book Encyclopedia, refers to Batman as the "creation of artist Bob Kane and writer Bill Finger".[11]


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Re: I'm boycotting Marvel Comics for a bit.
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2012, 02:35:47 PM »
Perhaps he was more business savvy than S&S. This is from wikipedia:

Kane, who had already submitted the proposal for Batman at DC and held a contract, is the only person given official company credit for Batman's creation. Comics historian Ron Goulart, in Comic Book Encyclopedia, refers to Batman as the "creation of artist Bob Kane and writer Bill Finger".[11]

Yet i've heard Bill Finger  died nearly penniless...
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Re: I'm boycotting Marvel Comics for a bit.
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2012, 03:16:44 PM »
Kane's father was a lawyer.  There's more to the story -- but too long to tell here....

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Re: I'm boycotting Marvel Comics for a bit.
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2012, 03:22:07 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2012, 04:42:35 PM »
It aint just comics. Hollywood's "Golden Age" had the same action going on. Jack Pierce may have gotten credit for the make ups for the classic monsters, but let his family try to use those make ups on another feature. They'd be sued into oblivion...............

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Re: I'm boycotting Marvel Comics for a bit.
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2012, 08:25:42 PM »
Not really. They've been trying to relaunch the comic for years now, but it keeps failing.  And the last movie did NOTHING to increase sales, or even keep the book afloat. Sad to say, but their money is probably better spent elsewhere.


According to sales data the increase was around 10%, plus significant sales of a new issue #1 that was, coiincidentally, releases the same month the film opened.

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales.html

also, here's a retailer that said new customers came in

http://www.sequentialtart.com/article.php?id=531

even a bad movie, like League Of Extraordinary Gentleman, can increase comic and graphic novel sales.

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Re: I'm boycotting Marvel Comics for a bit.
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2012, 08:48:58 PM »
According to sales data the increase was around 10%, plus significant sales of a new issue #1 that was, coiincidentally, releases the same month the film opened.

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales.html

also, here's a retailer that said new customers came in

http://www.sequentialtart.com/article.php?id=531

even a bad movie, like League Of Extraordinary Gentleman, can increase comic and graphic novel sales.



 Well, im certainly glad you were able to find ONE retailer who got increased sales, For all the good it did. The book still has since been cancelled, re-launched with a FEMALE GR, and cancelled yet again.
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Re: I'm boycotting Marvel Comics for a bit.
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2012, 08:52:59 PM »
It aint just comics. Hollywood's "Golden Age" had the same action going on. Jack Pierce may have gotten credit for the make ups for the classic monsters, but let his family try to use those make ups on another feature. They'd be sued into oblivion...............

I've heard Millicent Patrick never received proper credit for her Creature designs either.
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Re: I'm boycotting Marvel Comics for a bit.
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2012, 06:43:08 AM »