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StyreneDude

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Re: VOTE! Should the UMA eliminate all resin model kit discussion?
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2012, 01:10:22 PM »
Another option could be to just avoid discussing unlicensed kits rather than all non-styrene.

There have been tons of licensed monster kits by Aurora, Moebius, Monarch, Billiken, Horizon, Janus, Geometeric, Dimensional Designs, etc.

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Re: VOTE! Should the UMA eliminate all resin model kit discussion?
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2012, 01:13:52 PM »
It all comes down to personal responsibility for me. I think we're primarily adults here, and we should (SHOULD) be able to discuss the matter of Garage kits civilly. What I propose is that we allow the discussion of resin garage kits, but anyone who posts on the matter with an eye towards causing trouble gets Shunned, i.e. Everyone toss them into ignore and the moderator send them a warning. If the behavior continues, the ban hammer droppeth.

We're adults here.. let the love of Monsterdom take the lead instead of semantics.
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Re: VOTE! Should the UMA eliminate all resin model kit discussion?
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2012, 01:46:20 PM »
I voted NO to the the UMA elilinating all resin kit discussion.  95% percent of my models are resin, all them of which I purchased directly from the manufacuters.  Never once did I see the administration here condoning or supporting recasting nor have I ever supported it.  It is fraud which is one of the most difficult to suppress crimes in the nation and it is happpening everywhere.  In my line of work I deal with it everyday in one form or another.  Until I see the UMA come out with a statement saying they endorse recasting, I am going to remain here. It is not the job of the moderators to take the time and be detectives in this field, it is way too time consuming and further more, how would they stop it.  Maybe if the UMA was a dedicated site to resin models only. could I see it being addressed differently.  Since it is not, there are all these other catagories for us to enjoy here and I suggest we do before it dissapears and we wonder why it went away.

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Re: VOTE! Should the UMA eliminate all resin model kit discussion?
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2012, 01:54:31 PM »
No, don't eliminate the discussion.

I also think UMA's policy with respect to the issue has been the correct one. No open selling of recasts through the board but no witch hunts either.

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This is my opinion too.

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Re: VOTE! Should the UMA eliminate all resin model kit discussion?
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2012, 03:23:20 PM »
Dr. Madd has the right  Idea.  If enough  troublemakers get ignored by the Rank and File, they will eventually leave.  How about making it a PRIVATE Clubhouse? Is that a possibility?

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Re: VOTE! Should the UMA eliminate all resin model kit discussion?
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2012, 03:29:56 PM »
I voted no, but if this is such a pain , maybe shut it down temporarily ( 1 month ? ) than bring it back--reboot!

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Re: VOTE! Should the UMA eliminate all resin model kit discussion?
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2012, 05:27:06 PM »
I voted to keep garage kits and models in our discussions. They are great to look at and if they weren't shown here I frankly would never see them due to the fact I am not a modeller alone and have No urge to join another forum. I do build models and my two boys are just starting so it's nice to see them and show my boys what people are capable
of creating. As far as recasting goes, it is what it is. It will always be around, why let it ruin our fun. We don't have the time Or money to stop it from happening just as the music and movie industry will never be able to stop it from happening in that setting. But that doesn't mean we stop creating. I love monsters and I really enjoy seeing other people's creative takes on the monsters we love in their art, through paintings, drawings, busts, masks, drawings, toys etc...The garage kits are art, and art has been copied since well before any of us have been around! It's not right, but it's a fact of life. If  it's an issue to certain people and they can't control their emotions without resorting to name calling and witch trails then please don't belong to our forum. I have visited a few of the model sites just to see how this was being addressed there and it is not impressive. And there are members who did belong here who I thought were decent people And seemed at the time to enjoy posting here who are calling uma members wierdos and toy freaks who have alters built to our toys and pray to them. The part that really bothers me is how did they know I did that! Am I being watched? Anyway, yes Terry please give it another chance I love this site because of it's diversity in the wide field of monsterdom. And I for one will not acknowledge a post that trays to stir this topic up. Ignore them and they will learn,Or just go away. Thank you for asking our opinions on the matter,it just goes to show the leadership quality on this site.
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Re: VOTE! Should the UMA eliminate all resin model kit discussion?
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2012, 05:32:03 PM »
I VOTE NO. IF IT MATTERS THAT MUCH TO SOME FOLKS, MAYBE THEY SHOULD START THEIR OWN SITE. AND DEBATE IT THERE.

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Re: VOTE! Should the UMA eliminate all resin model kit discussion?
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2012, 05:35:28 PM »
I voted "No." First of all, not all resin kits are unlicensed. Dark Horse has put out some gorgeous resin kits. I built the Harryhausen King Kong as a commission. I have John Dennett's limited resin casting of his Cthulhu kit, which Geometric put out in vinyl. I've got a few others, not many. I'm mostly a styrene builder, myself.
 
The policies already in place are sufficient and fair. It's not the UMA's job to police the world of garage kits. The site already states it neither condones nor supports recasting. What's next? Should recasters have their pets butchered on their front porches, "RECASTER!" spray-painted on their bloody fur? (No doubt, there are some in the hobby that would say, "Hell, yeah-- for starters!") No, let that mess stay on other forums, if they've the stomach for it. What few recasters might be members here don't seem to be blatently hawking their wares. They know the UMA policy, and seem better at abiding by it, frankly, than those who left in a huff of protest over the very presence of said recasters.
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Re: VOTE! Should the UMA eliminate all resin model kit discussion?
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2012, 05:43:08 PM »
Great comments everyone! Your input is greatly appreciated. And most helpful I might add.


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Re: VOTE! Should the UMA eliminate all resin model kit discussion?
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2012, 06:42:11 PM »
This topic (resin/garage kits)  has been more divisive than any other in UMA history, I think. And it all seems to come down to people who focus almost exclusively on the subject. It really gets tiring.

Then people wonder why topics get closed and people get moderated or banned. I'm  not exactly sure what to do, but it sure has been toxic.

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Re: VOTE! Should the UMA eliminate all resin model kit discussion?
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2012, 06:47:41 PM »
Voted no.  Personally I have very little interest in styrene kits unless they’re sculpted by Yagher.  The most interesting and creative stuff comes out of the Garage Kit end of the hobby.
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Re: VOTE! Should the UMA eliminate all resin model kit discussion?
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2012, 06:56:12 PM »
Dumb Question really !!
This site is devoted to monsters first and formost. NOT B.S.

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Re: VOTE! Should the UMA eliminate all resin model kit discussion?
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2012, 07:16:52 PM »
Not a big modeler for years.

But I always hate to surrender to juvenile behavior - and THAT is what needs to be eliminated, not any one given topic of discussion.

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Re: VOTE! Should the UMA eliminate all resin model kit discussion?
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2012, 08:07:22 PM »
***Sigh**I have stayed pretty quiet on this, and not revealed all that I know 8)---but I will share something now. Let's go back a bit before I do.  Resin kits have existed for years. Companies winked at folks making unlicensed kits---figuring it would keep interest alive in dormant properties and eventually pay off, possibly becoming a licensing phenomenon and create an adult toy and model collector bonanza. In the case of  Universal Monsters and Marvel Comics---it did just that. Sideshow picked up a license and worked with garage kit illumni to produce some high end Universal Monsters items. Bowen (a garage kit guy from way back as well) got Bowen Designs moving and became the King of Marvel licensed product...until Sideshow got in on that pie as well. Companies didnt persecute garage sculptors: They hired them and made a fortune from them.If you enjoy Hot Toys, Bowen Desgins, Cinemaquette, or anything of that nature: chances are you owe a big debt to the garage kit hobby. They paved the way. History  lesson over.

Now: A few years ago a member of our illustrious army was hammered for being a re-caster on other forums among the resin heads. I asked some of the distributors, sculptors, etc. what was going on. I was filled in.The member who was hammered (who shall remain nameless), in retaliation, ran to Warner Bros, Universal Studios, and any other company that would listen and sent letters or made calls to their legal departments. This is what caused the major crackdown on resin modelers, closed many a website, and made easy access to resin versions of our favorite monsters very difficult. Thanks a lot, "bro".

Once he was outed as a re-caster, he was blackballed, and no one would buy his inferior wares. Out of spite, he attempted to bring the hobby to a halt altogether.  Not because he cared about all items being "licensed", but because if he couldnt make money off of someone else's work and be "part of the gang"--- he was gonna make sure there was no gang at all.

So, there's more to it than just the re-casting. This fella almost got some folks tossed in the klink. It was the cause for all the cease and desist orders, the closing of websites, and the reason it is now almost impossible to know who is doing what and how you can add it to your collection. Iincidentally, I am almost 100% certain he is still posting on these boards...but thats another tale.

Now--if we suddenly start saying "Let's just talk only about licensed kits---this garage kit stuff is crap!", are we going to apply the selfsame mentality to all products on the board? Let's face it--half the stuff currently being produced isnt licensed. How many people are going to line up to buy a mask of Dr. Pretorius, a print of The Incredible Melting man, or a model of Dr. Death from Madhouse? Very few. Listen~we have artists on this board who paint portraits of horror characters. Do we disallow discussion of their work because it isnt licensed? How about mask making? Do we throw that out as well? Because all mask making is is offering an unlicensed item made to order. Its no different that buying Joe Blow's new Wasp Woman kit and having him build and paint it for you before you get it. There's more going on here than just re-casters vs. sculptors. If everyone treated each other by the golden rule on our board we wouldnt even be having this discussion. Incidentally--if we found out someone was re-casting Daniel Horne or Tony Picotto's masks, and offering cheap pulls out of inferior latex with crap paint at half the price: would we not be upset? I think we would. I think they would too. How is re-casting kits any different?

But if we cut out all talk of unlicensed products on the board, then there's going to be a whole lot of nothing to talk about. As much as I love 60's monsters stuff....its finite. There's no going back in time and making new 60's monsters stuff. Plus---if it werent for garage kits...there would be no Hammer, Vincent Price or B movie monsters in anyone's collection. Only 17,997 different Frankenstein, Wolfman, Mummy, Creature, and Dracula items. I fear that if we stop talking about items many of us are passionate about, there's going to be a lot more "babies" that just hang their heads in shame and go to another board....and that's wrong. Folks,,,there just aint that many of us out here into classic monsters. We dont need to be splintered into the licensed crowd vs. the unlicensed crowd. Now, I am going to go hug my UNLICENSED It--The Terror from Beyond Space and Hideous Sun Demon kits...while I am still allowed to talk about them HERE---on my favorite forum. :angel:


 

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