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Collecting Monsters => Vintage Monster Toys => Topic started by: NekroDave on April 21, 2009, 06:09:31 PM

Title: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: NekroDave on April 21, 2009, 06:09:31 PM
Ok, here's another rare strange King Kong item that I came across (in truth, had pointed out to me) last week. Check out this image from a 1977 Japanese toy catalog showing a Bullmark King Kong (bottom left)...that shoots a spinning disc from it's waist!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/nekrodave/49e06de55053f.jpg)

I emailed a few prominent collectors I know about it over the weekend and no one seems to have ever heard of it before. Since Bullmark went out of business in late 1977, I'm guessing it was never released. Too bad. I love the sculpt of it and the ludicrous gimmick is a plus in my eyes.

I think I've seen that other Kong around though, if I'm not mistaken. Never paid much attention to those little walkers and such.
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Gareee on April 21, 2009, 10:17:27 PM
How do you know that is a kong, and isn't just a gorilla?
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: raycastile on April 21, 2009, 10:26:54 PM
A monster gorilla toy is just another name for an unlicensed King Kong toy.  If it was made in 1977, it's part of the merchandising wave from the '76 Kong.  Even if it says "gorilla," the kids are supposed to know that it's Kong.
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: NekroDave on April 21, 2009, 10:29:32 PM
The first couple of kana are missing, but the last three (above the 650 price) reads "Kong".
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: mjaycox on April 21, 2009, 10:53:44 PM
A monster gorilla toy is just another name for an unlicensed King Kong toy.  If it was made in 1977, it's part of the merchandising wave from the '76 Kong.  Even if it says "gorilla," the kids are supposed to know that it's Kong.

It was indeed made by Bullmark, sans the spinning wheel, as King Kong as a tie in to the 76 movie. I own this figure. It was a joint venture with Mego, and the toy bears both companies logos. This same sculpt was used for a Frankenstein wind-up, which I also have in my collection.

Mego produced additional King Kong toys in japan using the company ONDA. These are more common.

Beast witches,

Matt
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: raycastile on April 21, 2009, 11:20:53 PM
It was indeed made by Bullmark, sans the spinning wheel, as King Kong as a tie in to the 76 movie. I own this figure. It was a joint venture with Mego, and the toy bears both companies logos. This same sculpt was used for a Frankenstein wind-up, which I also have in my collection.

Mego produced additional King Kong toys in japan using the company ONDA. These are more common.

Beast witches,

Matt



Did you show these to me, either in person or in a photo?  No, I remember.  You showed me Mecha Kong.  I'd certainly like to see these two Bullmarks.  The Kong and the Frankie.
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: NekroDave on April 22, 2009, 11:00:33 AM
I'd certainly like to see these two Bullmarks.  The Kong and the Frankie.

Same here! Please post a pic when you get a chance.. Thanks in advance...
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: darkmonkeygod on April 27, 2009, 02:19:29 AM
Matt, Seen much of the Mego / Bullmark and ONDA stuff, never heard of a Frankenstein wind up from any of themmade from the same sculpt. That's sounds like super wacky Japanese stuff! Is it the Toho one or 'our' Frankie? Love to see pix.

Dave, Oddly enough, I have some vague memory of seeing a color photo of the Kong WITH the spinning disc. I know I've seen the vinyl figure and the wind-up in person repeatedly over the years, and the color pic could have been of a prototype (seems like it was in a Hyper Hobby or one of the other $25 a piece Japanese mags I used to by MONTHLY way back when). The box of those is somewhere in my warehouse, so I'll add that to the list of things I'll look for when I get the time...

Thanks for posting this! You researching / searching for more Kong stuff or just happen across it? The Bullmark boxed King Kong Lives is pretty cool and I think it has Mego on it as well, even though it is so much later.
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: NekroDave on April 27, 2009, 10:53:28 AM
Y'know, it never occurred to me that Matt might have been referring to the Toho Frankenstein! That would make a lot more sense than a Universal Frankenstein with a Kong body!

Anyway, no, this was just sent to me by a buddy who's into die-casts. He was interested in those Zinclons you can see on the other page and some Arklons that were in another pic (that may be Greek to most of you, but I think Shannon knows what I'm talking about... lol) , but he knew I'd be interested in that King Kong. Otherwise I would have completely missed it.
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: mjaycox on April 27, 2009, 03:09:51 PM
It was a joint venture with Mego, and the toy bears both companies logos. This same sculpt was used for a Frankenstein wind-up, which I also have in my collection.

Oh, Dammit!

I typed too fast and wasn't paying attention. That was meant to say: King Kong wind-up. Talk about a Freudian slip. Sorry for getting people's hopes up. Though, as it was said, it would likely have been a Toho Frankenstein conquers the world guy.

Flickr isn't letting me link to photos right now for some reason, but I will upload later.
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Kong76 on July 22, 2009, 12:38:50 AM
Holy Cow, here he is!

http://cgi.ebay.com/King-Kong-1976-Sample-Figure-Only-one-in-the-world_W0QQitemZ280375276391QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147ab3367&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1205%7C293%3A2%7C294%3A50 (http://cgi.ebay.com/King-Kong-1976-Sample-Figure-Only-one-in-the-world_W0QQitemZ280375276391QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147ab3367&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1205%7C293%3A2%7C294%3A50)

I am not the seller, just a big kong 76 fan who saw the post. The vinyl bullmark release did not have the wheel mechanism, nor any red paint on the chest as described in this item listing. He has red in the mouth, red nails, and silver highlights on the chest. It was a basic figure, with minimal paint. But it IS the same sculpt as the one listed, just slightly shorter in the waist, (where they removed the spinner?) taken from the 76 maquette that surfaces now and again.  You can see this toy in John Bonavita's MEGO book. I've seen no photos of it online, but do own the actual one shot for John's book. As discussed, this sculpt was shortened further for the walking toy.

I thought that magazine scan was rare, to see the actual toy pop up made my jaw drop. This is waaay out of my league, but wow, what an incredible holy grail toy. I...want.... it....haha.
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: NekroDave on July 22, 2009, 12:37:13 PM
That's strange. I was just thinking about this again the other day and was meaning to bump this thread. That's pretty amazing to see it up there. So presumably it's the exact same one as in the scan I posted. Would love to get it myself, but even if I had that kind of scratch to spend, I wouldn't spend it on this.

Although, if this toy really is one of a kind, I find it odd that his price is nearly 1/4 that of his boxed tin Gigan, which, while very very rare, isn't worth that much.
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: NekroDave on July 22, 2009, 06:49:28 PM
I didn't realize it until just now but apparently Takara owned the license to Kong in Japan, but allowed Bullmark (and Ark, in the case of the die-cast) to make these toys. So the copyright info on the feet actually includes Takara, Mego, and Bullmark. Interesting. I guess it makes sense seeing that Takara also previously made the Universal Monster inflatables. Maybe they had a deal with Universal that included Kong too (although I know the rights to Kong is a convoluted story, in and of itself).. Also, at this time Takara had two smash hit toy lines running while Bullmark was on their last legs. So it seems that they farmed it out to Bullmark, since they were more known for their vinyl toys. Too bad Kong craze didn't save them..

Damn, I would love to have that thing! I'd still love to see the official release, if one of you guys could post it. Does the toy that was ultimately released have the same markings?
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Kong76 on July 22, 2009, 11:31:34 PM
Hi Dave,

I think it's amazing you posted this magazine scan of something many collectors and Kong afficianados have never seen (in itself, extremely rare) in April, and in July the actual toy (Of which there is only 1 made!!!) surfaces. Pretty awesome.

I don't  think it's worth 5k, (maybe for Jessica lange's jungle costume:) and I don't think they will get that asking price. Having said that, if I had stupid money for this kind of thing, I'd grab it in a heartbeart.

My Bullmark is still sealed, but the foot markings seem the same. It's the same exact toy, just with the spinner removed, and they shortened him just slightly.

If you've seen the Kong 76 maquette that surfaces from time to time (someone on the forums    posted pics, search Kong holy grail) you'll see that the Bullmark toy was modeled after this maquette -- which makes it that much cooler. The other Mego/Onda, modeled after the Berkey art (which I love) was a bad interpretation and looks more like bigfoot.

Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: NekroDave on July 23, 2009, 11:03:42 AM
Yeah, that is an unusual coincidence!

If this is really one of a kind, I don't think asking $5,000 is too out of line. Plenty of more common Japanese toys sell for just as much or more all the time.

I did see that maquette. In fact, since I've been buying lots of Kong stuff the last few months, Shawn made damn sure to let me know that that auction was off limits for me. LOL.

Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Shrunken Ed on July 24, 2009, 12:11:15 AM
I have that figure. So I guess the one offered on Ebay is not the only one around !?!?
I found it in a vintage toy shop in Tokyo 3 years ago. I paid around 5000 Yens  ( 73 USD more or less ) if I remember correctly.
I'm a ( casual) King Kong (... and  monsters stuff in general ! ) collector for around 20 years and never seen another one before.
I have a fair knowledge of what was available in Japan, as part of the Bullmark and Mego line and was really thrilled to find something I didn't know existed !
I still don't know if it's a prototype or if it was released only in some area of Japan as it was sometimes the case with some toys back then, making it hard to locate.
It might also have been one of the last Kong toy released by Bullmark and offered in fewer quantities than the wind up or the standard vinyl figure of the same type ?
I don't know how to post pictures on the forum but will be glad to do it if anyone can help me with that.
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: raycastile on July 24, 2009, 12:45:07 AM
First you need to upload your photos to the internet.  You can use a service like Flickr or Photobucket.  Then you insert it in your post by clicking the image button above the text box.  When you type a post, directly above the text box you will see a bunch of round yellow faces called emoticons.  Above them, you will see a row of gray boxes.  The second box from the left is the image button.  Click that and it will insert img brackets into your post.  There will be a cursor between the img brackets.  That is where you need to paste the URL location of the image.  You can find the image location URL by right-clicking on the image and selecting "copy image location."  If all this sounds too complicated, just e-mail the images to me at raycastile(at)aol.com and I'll upload them for you.



I have that figure. So I guess the one offered on Ebay is not the only one around !?!?
I found it in a vintage toy shop in Tokyo 3 years ago. I paid around 5000 Yens  ( 73 USD more or less ) if I remember correctly.
I'm a ( casual) King Kong (... and  monsters stuff in general ! ) collector for around 20 years and never seen another one before.
I have a fair knowledge of what was available in Japan, as part of the Bullmark and Mego line and was really thrilled to find something I didn't know existed !
I still don't know if it's a prototype or if it was released only in some area of Japan as it was sometimes the case with some toys back then, making it hard to locate.
It might also have been one of the last Kong toy released by Bullmark and offered in fewer quantities than the wind up or the standard vinyl figure of the same type ?
I don't know how to post pictures on the forum but will be glad to do it if anyone can help me with that.

Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: raycastile on July 24, 2009, 02:25:57 AM
OK, here are the photos of the magical Bullmark King Kong and one of his little Kong buddies.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2482/3751025507_93f550925a_b.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2481/3751816078_49fa3687ec_b.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2625/3751025827_036a8866d4_b.jpg)




Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Kong76 on July 24, 2009, 10:06:09 AM
I have that figure. So I guess the one offered on Ebay is not the only one around !?!?

Unbelievable! Thanks for uploading those. This thread sure keeps getting more interesting and coincidental...  Glad I found this place. And I'll offer you at least a 300% profit, Shruken Ed!:) Haha.


Sadly, I used to own the production sculpt this toy was based on. It was different than what was sent to theaters. It had a rocky base, and I added a custom Jessica Lange figure, and new paint. A pretty nasty biking injury prevented me from working for a few months, so I had to be a grown up and sell some treasures. Major Bummer, I wish I'd never parted with it. Everything else shoud have went before Kong -- I had comedic visions of me stumbling around one day with just a sleeping bag, clutching the thing and muttering to myself like Steve Martin in the Jerk!:) **sigh** Maybe I'll get it back oneday.

**I'll try to post pics below, but will take them down tomorrow . I do not have a flickr account, so if someone could kindly save, reup and repost it would be greatly appreciated.**

P.s. Pics removed now, and reupped 2 posts down by NekroDave. Many Thanks Dave, that was fast!


Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: NekroDave on July 24, 2009, 11:49:38 AM
Wow, thanks very much for posting those, guys! So, from 0 we've got to at least 3, maybe 4 different versions of this toy.  The one on Ebay (which is different from your in it's paint spray so still possibly the only of it's kind, one with a red painted chest (again, if the seller is accurate), your (which looks like it has an unpainted chest) and the version without the disc launcher.

This toy is now definitely high up on my (non-Jumbo Machinder) want list. If you don't mind, I'm gonna steal those pics and start asking around about it. Before no one I knew was aware of it. But now that's it's known to be out there, maybe I can get some people looking under some rocks and hopefully turn up something. Actually, it's starting to make me want the little walker now too... lol.

Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: NekroDave on July 24, 2009, 12:06:59 PM
Oh cool, I didn't see you pics before my last post went up. That's really neat. Major drag that you had to sell it though. I'll re-post the pics for ya.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/nekrodave/kmf2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/nekrodave/kmlq1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/nekrodave/kmlq5.jpg)

Here's another toy I just now came across. It's a mini-vinyl so probably about 3-4" tall and I'm not even 100% sure it's meant to represent Kong, but the face does look like the Bullmark we've been talking about. But I think it may be made by Marusan? I'm not sure. Apparently, it's pretty rare, but a friend of mine might actually own it. But he's at SDCC now so I'll contact him about it next week.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/nekrodave/gnb2002041.jpg)

Btw, this has nothing to do with anything, but a discussion about a vinyl toy and a mention of the Jerk makes me think of it. My friend loves glow in the dark vinyl kaiju and kept posting pictures of his new purchases. Another friend who did not collect vinyl starting calling him a jerk for making the second friend want to buy them. So I suggested we photoshop his head onto the poster art. Here he is lugging around glow Gezora and Hedorah toys. Cracks me up every time I see it....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/nekrodave/tehjerk.jpg)


Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Kong76 on July 24, 2009, 12:13:20 PM
Here's another toy I just now came across. It's a mini-vinyl so probably about 3-4" tall and I'm not even 100% sure it's meant to represent Kong, but the face does look like the Bullmark we've been talking about. But I think it may be made by Marusan? I'm not sure. Apparently, it's pretty rare, but a friend of mine might actually own it. But he's at SDCC now so I'll contact him about it next week.

([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/nekrodave/gnb2002041.jpg[/url])




He looks cool, and another fun discovery. Would love to see a larger shot of the little guy.


Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: NekroDave on July 24, 2009, 12:19:11 PM
Here's two more...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/nekrodave/gnb2002031.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/nekrodave/gnb2002061.jpg)
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Kong76 on July 24, 2009, 12:22:43 PM


([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/nekrodave/tehjerk.jpg[/url])





Yeah, that's about right.  Thanks for the belly laugh.
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Kong76 on July 24, 2009, 12:28:52 PM

([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/nekrodave/gnb2002061.jpg[/url])


The face and nose here kind of looks like the Berkey poster art was a cue.
Greeeaat. Now I'm looking for two items! Monkey madness in this thread.
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: NekroDave on July 24, 2009, 05:27:16 PM
OK, that mini Kong I posted is probably not really meant to be Kong officially. It's apparently from a Japanese show called "Chiisa na Superman Ganbaron" (which is apparently a knockoff of, you guessed it, Superman, so they may well be "aping" Kong, too). That figure comes on a blister card with 4 other mini vinyl figures from the show.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/nekrodave/shinbashi_ippon-img512x384-12312219.jpg)
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: NekroDave on October 03, 2009, 01:54:10 PM
Boy, I wish I could get ALL my grails in under 6 months and for less than $20.  ;D
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: darkmonkeygod on October 04, 2009, 11:46:04 AM
Boy, I wish I could get ALL my grails in under 6 months and for less than $20.  ;D

Heh. Can't wait to see your pix. Kongrats!
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: NekroDave on December 17, 2009, 01:57:52 PM
And two and a half months later....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/nekrodave/IMG_1122.jpg)

As you can see, I also managed to snag a couple of Bullmark King Kong yo-yos! Unfortunately, I lost out on a the regular, non-spinner version not long after. There was something else that I was more interested in ending the next day and I didn't want to spend too much and risk losing the other thing. I lost it anyway. :(

Oh yeah, I guess I should tell the unusual tale of how I got this guy so cheap. A seller listed it as "Takara King Kong" without the word Bullmark in the title and a very low starting bid. So I offered him $100 to end it early and sell to me. He said no. OK, I'll bid. The next day, he added "Bullmark" to the description. Crap, that won't help....

Then, suddenly, the auction was gone.

Almost immediately, he re-listed it as "Rubber Gorilla"! WTF?!? I have no idea why he did that, but....

I ended up winning it at under $20.  ;D
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Sleepyhollowstudios on December 17, 2009, 02:20:39 PM
You offered him $100, and he ended up making less than $20 on it?

To quote Charlie Brown, "Good grief."

Congratulations on snagging him so quickly and so cheaply! I'm always happy when people are able to find what they're looking for. Especially in such a rare case as this.

-Andy

Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Kong76 on December 17, 2009, 02:33:56 PM
Fantastic score Dave, especially at that price. Good grief indeed. Maybe he thought of relisting it yet again as "plastic monkey". If you happen to come across another for a reasonable price, please keep me in mind.

Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: NekroDave on December 17, 2009, 03:31:51 PM
Sure, I'll let you know if see another.

Japanese sellers can be a bit weird at times. I've heard of them blacklisting bidders for making offers like that at times. To be on the safe side, I bid with a second ID just in case he was trying to avoid me by changing the title. :)
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Unknown Primate on December 18, 2009, 12:40:10 AM
Really diggin' the Kongstuff!
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Kong76 on April 25, 2010, 04:38:28 AM
Just a bump for Dave to keep his eyes peeled. Still need this guy, and you have Kong radar :)
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Kong76 on January 06, 2011, 10:25:38 PM
Still seeking the elusive Bullmark Kong. And Dave, have you ever seen these?

http://cgi.ebay.com/King-Kong-1976-Diener-Mego-Bullmark-MPC-Palmer-Figure-/200560147217?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb250fb11 (http://cgi.ebay.com/King-Kong-1976-Diener-Mego-Bullmark-MPC-Palmer-Figure-/200560147217?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb250fb11)
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Unknown Primate on January 06, 2011, 10:42:33 PM
I'm not Dave, but those sealed KONGS are awesome!  Love to bid on them, but too low on funds right now.
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Toy Ranch on January 07, 2011, 10:42:49 AM
See where it says "Inactive" under Dave's ID?  That means he's no longer a part of the UMA.  His choice, not ours.
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Gasport on January 07, 2011, 11:54:18 AM
''Dave's not here''...
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Scatter on January 07, 2011, 07:57:24 PM
''Dave's not here''...

BLAST YOU MIKE!!! You beat me to it!! LOL!!
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Gasport on January 07, 2011, 08:21:10 PM
So that's ONE for ME and two MILLION, fifty seven THOUSAND and four for YOU...wah, wah, wah, Gary!
Title: Re: Bullmark King Kong
Post by: Scatter on January 07, 2011, 08:21:53 PM
LOL!!