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Title: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: TheMadScientist on October 20, 2020, 06:57:13 PM
Recently I was trying to find when ABC will be airing It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown this year, and unfortunately, it appears that they won't be. According to this article (https://www.vulture.com/2020/10/its-the-great-pumpkin-charlie-brown-streaming-apple-tv.html (https://www.vulture.com/2020/10/its-the-great-pumpkin-charlie-brown-streaming-apple-tv.html)), the Peanuts specials will now be streaming exclusively on Apple+, which really is disappointing. As a pretty big Peanuts fan, while I appreciate that Apple+ is making new Peanuts shows and specials, it really is a shame that they can't be broadcast on TV as they have been for decades. 

If there's any silver lining, it's is that you will be able to watch the special on Apple+ during the periods they list in that article, though I just don't feel like that's going to be the same as having it broadcast. I know the licensing contract with ABC was ending this year, so perhaps this is a temporary thing, and the Peanuts specials could be back on broadcast next year. I read somewhere that when their licensing agreement with CBS ended in 2000 (before ABC picked it up), they didn't show the specials that year, but I'm not sure if that's true. Regardless, based on the reaction to this on social media, it looks like most people aren't happy, so perhaps the powers that be will change their minds. Who knows.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Sir Masksalot on October 20, 2020, 07:52:12 PM
Is Apple+ programming commercial-free?
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: TheMadScientist on October 20, 2020, 08:48:17 PM
Is Apple+ programming commercial-free?

I'm not sure. I know to get everything on the app you have to pay a monthly subscription fee (I think it's like $4.99 a month). But like I said, if you sign up for the app, I believe there are certain days where they'll be showing the Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas specials for free.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Kidagain on October 21, 2020, 10:08:55 AM
That totally sucks. Need to protest, make signs, march around our computers and let our voices be heard. This just ruined my holiday season.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Doh! on October 21, 2020, 11:57:01 PM
Even though I own a digital copy and can watch it (again) at my leisure, this news is depressing. Apple+ has such a limited viewership compared to network TV, they're really killing a chance to have a large group of kids watch it for the first -- or 51st -- time.

Get yer own Halloween programming, Apple+!!
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: LundyAfterMidnight on October 23, 2020, 12:33:30 AM
Another ploy to get us to spend more $.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Monsters For Sale on October 23, 2020, 01:28:09 AM
I saw that article.

Glad I have it on disc.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: TheMadScientist on October 23, 2020, 02:29:00 AM
Yeah, it's depressing news. A lot of people are pretty upset on social media, so I'm hopeful that the negative reaction will get them to change their minds in time for A Charlie Brown Christmas to air on broadcast in December, though that's wishful thinking. It would be nice if they get a broadcast deal in place by next year though. Interestingly, the announcement for this says the special is "streaming exclusively on Apple+", so the language doesn't make it clear if their deal rules out the shows being on broadcast. Like I said, I know the ABC broadcasting agreement ended this year anyway, so perhaps that is playing a part in the shows not being aired this year, and they (or another network) be able to work something out quickly.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Nosferatu79 on October 23, 2020, 01:34:14 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think "Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown" aired in 2019. There are so many wonderful Halloween and Christmas specials that are never played anymore, and then they had to remove the last remaining Halloween special.

But we could count on "A Charlie Brown Christmas"...until now.

I sure hope they leave Rudolph alone!


I remember at least once they removed Shermy's one line of dialogue, where he complains about being the shepherd in the Christmas play every year. I guess he should have just been glad back then that he wasn't removed completely.

Now that it's all being moved to a pay service (instead of just being available there in addition to being on regular TV) I saw a comment elsewhere that indicated that stealing away the Christmas one (with it's message against greed) to make us pay to see it, is even more wrong than it would already be, since people look forward to it every year as a tradition.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Monsters For Sale on October 23, 2020, 04:11:34 PM
I do enjoy having my own BLU-Ray disc to watch anytime I want, but...

No more watching it "live" on TV, when you know many 10's of thousands with full popcorn bowls  are watching at exactly the same time.  We've lost that sense of immediacy/simultaneity that made it extra special.

Remember the time when TCM aired their "Drive-In Double Features" for 5 weeks?  We had the schedule posted here and were all tuning in at the same time to watch movies we didn't yet have in our collections - and even watch some we DID have, just to all be sharing them at the same time with fellow UMA'ers - a virtual drive-in.   Remember what fun that was, even though a lot of the movies were real stinkers?  (Man, I wish they would repeat that.)

     http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=13935.msg224919#msg224919
                    (Didn't they give us a fun line-up?  -  They never repeated the idea again.)


We all just lost that special feeling for "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown".  Can't blame COVID for this one, it was corporate greed that killed Linus' dream.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Kidagain on October 23, 2020, 05:42:40 PM
Can't find full version of it on youtube.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: TheMadScientist on October 23, 2020, 09:18:02 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think "Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown" aired in 2019. There are so many wonderful Halloween and Christmas specials that are never played anymore, and then they had to remove the last remaining Halloween special.

I'm almost positive Great Pumpkin aired two times last year.

We all just lost that special feeling for "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown".  Can't blame COVID for this one, it was corporate greed that killed Linus' dream.

I'm pretty curious why it won't be broadcast this year. Since Apple is making new Peanuts shows and specials, did Apple insist on having exclusive rights? Or did ABC (a sub of Disney) not want to renew the broadcasting deal because of the new Peanuts shows on Apple? Disney has never really been one to promote content from a competitor, and the Disney+ streaming service is in direct competition with Apple+. Regardless, it's a shame. I'm hoping that something eventually gets worked at for the shows to return to broadcast, even if it's on a different network. I can't imagine the viewership on Apple+ being anything close to what it was on broadcast the last few years.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: BijouBob8mm on November 09, 2020, 03:49:02 PM
I've been hearing a lot of DJs trashing this move on the air, in several markets.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Mike Scott on November 09, 2020, 05:07:35 PM
I've been hearing a lot of DJs trashing this move on the air, in several markets.

What movie?
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: BijouBob8mm on November 09, 2020, 06:14:54 PM
LOL  I said "MOVE," not "movie."
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Mike Scott on November 09, 2020, 09:06:32 PM
LOL  I said "MOVE," not "movie."

D'Oh!
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Monsters For Sale on November 10, 2020, 12:26:49 PM
I've been hearing a lot of DJs trashing this move on the air, in several markets.

Friends with two young, stay-at-home kids asked me about suggestions for Halloween movies. I recommended Halloween Town or Disney's Hocus Pocus but NOT Great Pumpkin.

Great Pumpkin has too many long pauses where little happens and musical numbers kinda drone on.  These kids have Notepads and expect instantaneous responses/solutions to questions/problems. They do not suffer from short attention spans - they've just been conditioned to expect a faster-paced  world.

I can't imagine them existing in my 1950's world where there were no such electronic devices and no one owned microwaves. My questions were answered by walking to the library, searching through a card file, going to the Dewey Decimal-labeled shelf only to discover that the desired volume had been checked out and I needed to fill out a Request Card and wait for the library to mail me a postcard that it had been returned and was being held for me on my return trip to the library.

I always loved using the card file.  For me, the hunt was fun.  I could always find just the right book faster than any of my fellow students.  (The very first time I went to a library and had to ask the librarian where the card file was, only to be pointed to a computer...  I walked out.  I had never used a computer and had no idea what to do with it.)

Perhaps the reviewers are from a newer generation than those of us who saw Great Pumpkin when it first aired, and simply find it tedious - or never knew the daily comic strip and can't appreciate the intentionally jumpy animation that was intended to be reminiscent of the little panels, and not be fully animated like a Bugs Bunny cartoon.  It also helps to be familiar with the running gags in the strips before seeing the TV Specials - helps the allusions to them make more sense and seem much funnier.


Sorry, I took longer than I should to get to my point (again).  I thought putting it in context would help.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Mike Scott on November 10, 2020, 01:02:37 PM
They do not suffer from short attention spans - they've just been conditioned to expect a faster-paced  world.

How can you tell the difference?
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Monsters For Sale on November 10, 2020, 01:10:19 PM
How can you tell the difference? 

When they can spend hours hammering at you about the same thing and never get tired or distracted.

Now can we go? Now can we go?  Now can we go?  Now can se go? ...

      - or -

Do it again.  Do it again.  Do it again.  Do it again. ...

Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Mike Scott on November 10, 2020, 01:14:54 PM
Now can we go? Now can we go?  Now can we go?  Now can se go? ...

      - or -

Do it again.  Do it again.  Do it again.  Do it again. ...

Sounds the same, to me.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: TheMadScientist on November 10, 2020, 03:15:09 PM
Perhaps the reviewers are from a newer generation than those of us who saw Great Pumpkin when it first aired, and simply find it tedious - or never knew the daily comic strip and can't appreciate the intentionally jumpy animation that was intended to be reminiscent of the little panels, and not be fully animated like a Bugs Bunny cartoon.  It also helps to be familiar with the running gags in the strips before seeing the TV Specials - helps the allusions to them make more sense and seem much funnier.

I'm not sure if this is in response to BijouBob8mm's post, but I think they meant that the move to being an Apple+ exclusive has been getting a bad response, not the movie itself.

They do not suffer from short attention spans - they've just been conditioned to expect a faster-paced  world.

Granted, I know nothing about children, but as you say, a lot of this has to do with the media they are shown. Some of they watch more things like The Great Pumpkin, or similar slower movies/shows, they might start to respond to that more and more.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Monsters For Sale on November 10, 2020, 03:22:54 PM
I'm not sure if this is in response to BijouBob8mm's post, but I think they meant that the move to being an Apple+ exclusive has been getting a bad response, not the movie itself. ... 

My mistake.

I thought they were reacting to the TV special.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: horrorhunter on November 10, 2020, 05:21:52 PM
I watched my DVD copy on Halloween same as usual, and enjoyed it like always. We gave up on regular TV years ago. The closest thing we use now is PLUTO TV because it's FREE. I know, I know, what a concept.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Monsters For Sale on November 10, 2020, 05:31:33 PM
I watched my DVD copy on Halloween same as usual, and enjoyed it like always. We gave up on regular TV years ago. The closest thing we use now is PLUTO TV because it's FREE. I know, I know, what a concept. 

I haven't had cable in years.  Sometimes, when I am babysitting, I see my friends watching "regular" TV - and I can't believe how many commercials there are.  Doesn't bother them.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: horrorhunter on November 10, 2020, 05:39:59 PM
I haven't had cable in years.  Sometimes, when I am babysitting, I see my friends watching "regular" TV - and I can't believe how many commercials there are.  Doesn't bother them.
Yeah, the purpose of all those annoying commercials is to pay for the TV shows. Then greed won out and people have been paying with their time, aggravation, and money for decades. There's too many things to do for entertainment to waste money on Pay TV. That's my attitude towards it anyway.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Mike Scott on November 10, 2020, 05:45:24 PM
I haven't had cable in years. 

So, is DVD the only way you watch "drama"?
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Monsters For Sale on November 10, 2020, 05:59:54 PM
So, is DVD the only way you watch "drama"? 

Watch some drama and British comedy on YouTube, too.

I like science/history documentaries.  Plenty of those on YouTube.  I watch them on my 55" TV.  Many years of Nova, National Geographic, BBC shows, college lectures, etc.   Quite a few old movies that can't be had on dis, too.

More than I could ever watch - and my smart TV screens out almost all of those irritating little commercials.

I need to get another 72" x 38" DVD storage cabinet for my overflow.  Really glad I moved all my stuff into slim cases..
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: BijouBob8mm on November 11, 2020, 12:45:33 PM
I can't imagine them existing in my 1950's world where there were no such electronic devices and no one owned microwaves.

Well, technically you COULD have owned a Radarange microwave in the 1950s if you were affluent enough...prices ranged from $2,000 to $3,000.  (But, at that price, I'd be willing to wait until the ol' gas stove got the job done!)
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Mike...In 3-D! on November 11, 2020, 01:41:17 PM
I can't imagine them existing in my 1950's world where there were no such electronic devices and no one owned microwaves.

I got a major kick out of telling my niece and nephews that I grew up without the internet, and explaining everything that entailed. The shock on their faces was priceless.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Monsters For Sale on November 11, 2020, 01:55:02 PM
I got a major kick out of telling my niece and nephews that I grew up without the internet, and explaining everything that entailed. The shock on their faces was priceless. 

I like explaining a camera that takes only 12 pictures - on film.  And then taking the film to the local drugstore that would have the black & white prints ready two days later.

Back then no one I knew "wasted" film.  It might takes months to complete a roll.  And no one I knew ever took a selfie.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: BigShadow on November 15, 2020, 08:41:33 PM
Glad I have all the Peanuts episodes on DVD.  More and more it seems that physical media is the way to go.  I'm noticing, for myself anyway, that if I want to watch my favorite shows, I'd have to purchase just about every streaming service.  Then sometimes the streaming service gets rid of the show or movie and is moved to another service.  It's all just too much. 
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Mike Scott on November 16, 2020, 03:30:58 AM
I like explaining a camera that takes only 12 pictures - on film.

And they'll be telling their great-grandkids how they used to get all their infotainment from a little device they carried around in their pocket, instead of it just appearing in their head whenever they think about it.  ;D
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: TheMadScientist on November 18, 2020, 07:57:45 PM
For those interested, it looks like both "A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving" and "A Charlie Brown Christmas" will air on PBS this year in addition to Apple+ (https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/charlie-brown-pbs-apple-peanuts-tv-streaming-1234834757/). The uproar over "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown" not airing on broadcast TV contributed to this decision, no doubt.
Title: Re: Itís the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Monsters For Sale on November 18, 2020, 09:12:02 PM
For those interested, it looks like both "A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving" and "A Charlie Brown Christmas" will air on PBS this year in addition to Apple+ (https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/charlie-brown-pbs-apple-peanuts-tv-streaming-1234834757/). The uproar over "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown" not airing on broadcast TV contributed to this decision, no doubt.

Thanks.  I've been wondering about those.
Title: Re: It’s the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown moving to Apple+
Post by: Doh! on November 18, 2020, 09:24:34 PM
I find the Thanksgiving one just so-so, but I'm glad that Christmas will still be available on free TV. I watch it every year, and you can't beat that Vince Guaraldi soundtrack!