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Collecting Monsters => Modern Monster Toys => Topic started by: Blue Fang on September 10, 2019, 08:16:03 PM

Title: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Blue Fang on September 10, 2019, 08:16:03 PM
What would you all think if Neca acquired the license from Universal to make figures of the classic Universal monsters?

Honestly it would be pretty awesome for me! I love the Neca Godzilla line and to have detailed articulated figures of all the classic monsters would be awesome

After all the line is perhaps more fitting for Neca than Godzilla is due to how much use they could get out of all the monsters

They could repaint and retool Kharis to no end, release special Black and White/Color variants, and so forth

I would buy a Neca Wolfman so fast
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: marsattacks666 on September 10, 2019, 08:21:21 PM
What would you all think if Neca acquired the license from Universal to make figures of the classic Universal monsters?

Honestly it would be pretty awesome for me! I love the Neca Godzilla line and to have detailed articulated figures of all the classic monsters would be awesome

After all the line is perhaps more fitting for Neca than Godzilla is due to how much use they could get out of all the monsters

They could repaint and retool Kharis to no end, release special Black and White/Color variants, and so forth

I would buy a Neca Wolfman so fast

Neca does do stellar work on most of their licenced characters. Why not! There are multitude of versions of modern Horror characters. It would be grand for more Universal Monsters.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: aura of foreboding on September 10, 2019, 08:50:37 PM
Duh!   :D
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Mord on September 10, 2019, 08:55:35 PM
"Hell yeah!!!!" should have been an option (as long as they don't have to use the new style guide).
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Akira-Devilman on September 10, 2019, 08:59:06 PM
In a "Ultimate" version please, with lots of art on the window box and lots of accesoryes.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Monsters For Sale on September 10, 2019, 09:44:30 PM
What would you all think if Neca acquired the license from Universal to make figures of the classic Universal monsters?... 

What size / price range?

I'd like to se more toys - not looking for any museum-grade collectibles.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Blue Fang on September 10, 2019, 09:49:05 PM
What size / price range?

I'd like to se more toys - not looking for any museum-grade collectibles.
Standard 6 inch articulated figures much like their Godzilla, Friday The 13th, Pacific Rim, Alien lines

That's pretty much all that they deal in. I would love it because I prefer figures to statues which has been a large hindrance when it comes to collecting Universal Monsters
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Anton Phibes on September 10, 2019, 10:03:16 PM
I (and many others here) have been wishing NECA would get the Universal monsters license and do ultimate versions of the beloved monster characters. An Ultimate Wolfman right out of the gate would be great!
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Subatomic_Matt on September 10, 2019, 10:25:08 PM

I would love that... especially so if they would give ‘em that deluxe, boxed treatment.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Mord on September 10, 2019, 11:38:42 PM
What size / price range?

I'd like to se more toys - not looking for any museum-grade collectibles.
They would be 7", poseable, museum quality sculpt & paint...at Target prices. It's called "win/win".
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Blue Fang on September 11, 2019, 06:31:12 AM
I don't think I've ever seen anyone ask them about getting the license to Universal

They have always been huge in horror franchises, there are more than enough fans that would love a Frankenstein or Wolf-Man
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: VulcansFury on September 11, 2019, 06:49:53 AM
Ugh! Gosh NO! Who wants UM toys? Next thing you know you'll be asking who wants free money.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Count Zachula on September 11, 2019, 11:28:06 AM
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it a million times...but NECA's UM Headknockers are some of the finest (if not the #1 FINEST) pieces of merch ever created of these characters. The likenesses and detail are unparalleled.

A couple years ago I asked Randy (NECA Founder) on Twitter if they would ever make more UM stuff.  He replied and said he would love to but they lost the license. He also agrees their Headknockers are some of the best things made of the Ol' Monsters.

So YES!  If NECA made UM stuff it would be an absolute dream and I would buy them all in a heart beat!

Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: TheMadScientist on September 11, 2019, 01:32:47 PM
Their bobble heads are probably some of my favorite Universal Monsters merchandise, so I'd be all for it!
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Mord on September 11, 2019, 03:00:34 PM
Their bobble heads are probably some of my favorite Universal Monsters merchandise, so I'd be all for it!
Completely agree with you and Count Z. The NECA Headknockers are in a league of their own. I don't usually buy bobbles, but those are a work of art. Reasonably priced, too.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Joseph_Baeza on September 11, 2019, 04:11:08 PM
If NECA produced Uni Monster figures, it would be the best thing to happen to UM toy collectors since Sideshow tackled the them in the late 90's!
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Mord on September 11, 2019, 04:38:32 PM
If NECA produced Uni Monster figures, it would be the best thing to happen to UM toy collectors since Sideshow tackled the them in the late 90's!

 NECA used to send out postcards of upcoming product (I worked at a store that stocked them). The front had a color photo of the Frankenstein prototype, the back featured concept art of the others. I thought, "no way will they look this good". I was so wrong. I still have that card.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Count Zachula on September 11, 2019, 05:12:16 PM
NECA used to send out postcards of upcoming product (I worked at a store that stocked them). The front had a color photo of the Frankenstein prototype, the back featured concept art of the others. I thought, "no way will they look this good". I was so wrong. I still have that card.

Lets see it!
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Mord on September 11, 2019, 05:34:48 PM
Lets see it!

 I am computer illiterate. I'll text anyone photo (PM me a #). Maybe Mike or Anton would do it.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Mike Scott on September 11, 2019, 06:56:57 PM
I'll text anyone photo (PM me a #). Maybe Mike or Anton would do it.

Yeah, but you can't "text" me anything. Can you email it?
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Mord on September 11, 2019, 07:02:37 PM
Yeah, but you can't "text" me anything. Can you email it?

I have no email account. Totally off grid Unabomber-style. Can't I text a pic to someone's phone # and they/you/anyone post it?
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: TheMadScientist on September 11, 2019, 07:58:11 PM
Completely agree with you and Count Z. The NECA Headknockers are in a league of their own. I don't usually buy bobbles, but those are a work of art. Reasonably priced, too.

Looks like I repeated what Count Z said, and didn't even realize it! Those Headknockers were amazing though. Got the first four for Christmas one year, and then had to go back and track down Creature, the Bride and the Phantom on eBay. It would be cool if we could get an Invisible Man, Metaluna Mutant, etc.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Mord on September 11, 2019, 08:16:06 PM
Looks like I repeated what Count Z said, and didn't even realize it! Those Headknockers were amazing though. Got the first four for Christmas one year, and then had to go back and track down Creature, the Bride and the Phantom on eBay. It would be cool if we could get an Invisible Man, Metaluna Mutant, etc.
Actually, they were planning a Mutant to round out series two. Sculptor, Ray Santoleri (who sculpted all of them), wasn't a fan of the Mutant. He didn't want to sculpt it, so NECA dropped the plan.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Mike Scott on September 11, 2019, 09:00:35 PM
Can't I text a pic to someone's phone #

I don't know, can you? (Not trying to be grammatically correct, I just don't know the answer.)
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Blue Fang on September 11, 2019, 09:12:46 PM
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it a million times...but NECA's UM Headknockers are some of the finest (if not the #1 FINEST) pieces of merch ever created of these characters. The likenesses and detail are unparalleled.

A couple years ago I asked Randy (NECA Founder) on Twitter if they would ever make more UM stuff.  He replied and said he would love to but they lost the license. He also agrees their Headknockers are some of the best things made of the Ol' Monsters.

So YES!  If NECA made UM stuff it would be an absolute dream and I would buy them all in a heart beat!
I wonder what Randy's response would be now. Neca seems to be doing great on the licenses, just look at their new "Toony Terrors" thing so they are clearly open to taking gambles on figure lines

I guess it would just depend on how much Universal wants to charge
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Count Zachula on September 12, 2019, 01:05:17 PM
I wonder what Randy's response would be now. Neca seems to be doing great on the licenses, just look at their new "Toony Terrors" thing so they are clearly open to taking gambles on figure lines

I guess it would just depend on how much Universal wants to charge

I wouldn't say they're gambling with the Toony Terrors.  Jason, It and Freddy stuff sells really well for them.  Not sure how well UM merch sells in comparison. 


Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: MrDark1 on September 12, 2019, 09:16:53 PM
Right there with all of ya!  Before we get too carried away with wish lists of each monster they should first release, we have to wait and get news of how the Universal vs Chaney estate turns out.  Neca could release some Karloff figures, and Creature toys, but that would be it.  Unfortunately, those great Wolf Man figures, and Chaney Jr Mummy  toys we all dream of, are tied up in the California courts.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: geezer butler on September 13, 2019, 10:52:12 AM
Great thread, great idea. Like others I'm a big fan of the NECA figures. I've posted pictures of all these here, but I have two Godzillas, three Jasons (II, IV, VI) a leatherface, predator, Chucky, Freddy (elm st 3), Michael (2018), and the Terminator exoskeleton---so yeah I'm def down with some NECA UM figures.

Can you imagine if they produced Hammer figures??!! I know that's getting carried away.  ;)
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: marsattacks666 on September 13, 2019, 12:04:02 PM
Great thread, great idea. Like others I'm a big fan of the NECA figures. I've posted pictures of all these here, but I have two Godzillas, three Jasons (II, IV, VI) a leatherface, predator, Chucky, Freddy (elm st 3), Michael (2018), and the Terminator exoskeleton---so yeah I'm def down with some NECA UM figures.

Can you imagine if they produced Hammer figures??!! I know that's getting carried away.  ;)

Oh my Lanta! A Christopher Lee, Dracula, Curse of Frankenstein or Mummy. I would literally S*** my diaper......errrrrr, pants.🎃
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Mord on September 13, 2019, 12:21:28 PM
NECA could easily start with an "Ultimate' Creature. Beautiful poster art box, two heads ('54 & "Revenge"), fossil arm, shackles/chains, etc. It would be a huge hit. They could follow with "Son of Frankenstein" Karloff (since '31 is done to death). Then, "Walks Among us" Creech. By that time, the Chaney lawsuit might be settled. "Ultimate" Wolfie would be awesome...'41 head, Talbot head, later Wolfman head. The possibilities are endless. Look at their "Shape of Water" figure. Tell me you wouldn't love to see the quality transferred to the Creature and others.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: marsattacks666 on September 13, 2019, 01:07:25 PM
NECA could easily start with an "Ultimate' Creature. Beautiful poster art box, two heads ('54 & "Revenge"), fossil arm, shackles/chains, etc. It would be a huge hit. They could follow with "Son of Frankenstein" Karloff (since '31 is done to death). Then, "Walks Among us" Creech. By that time, the Chaney lawsuit might be settled. "Ultimate" Wolfie would be awesome...'41 head, Talbot head, later Wolfman head. The possibilities are endless. Look at their "Shape of Water" figure. Tell me you wouldn't love to see the quality transferred to the Creature and others.

Mord! Blowing my mind!
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Count Zachula on September 13, 2019, 01:29:17 PM
NECA could easily start with an "Ultimate' Creature. Beautiful poster art box, two heads ('54 & "Revenge"), fossil arm, shackles/chains, etc. It would be a huge hit. They could follow with "Son of Frankenstein" Karloff (since '31 is done to death). Then, "Walks Among us" Creech. By that time, the Chaney lawsuit might be settled. "Ultimate" Wolfie would be awesome...'41 head, Talbot head, later Wolfman head. The possibilities are endless. Look at their "Shape of Water" figure. Tell me you wouldn't love to see the quality transferred to the Creature and others.

YES!  I'm all for this. Hopefully it happens in this lifetime.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Mike Scott on September 13, 2019, 04:18:48 PM
By that time, the Chaney lawsuit might be settled.

How come Super 7 is allowed to make Chaney monsters?
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Mord on September 13, 2019, 04:34:27 PM
How come Super 7 is allowed to make Chaney monsters?

You'll have to ask them. I only come up with cool ideas (nothing practical). Though, they might have had a deal before all of this happened.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: MrDark1 on September 13, 2019, 05:08:16 PM
Not going to look a gift hearse, er uh horse in the mouth.  But the wonderful Super 7 card art may be some kinda loop hole.
The toy or item is either a Likeness license, or generic.  The box art, or ads can picture true film accuracy, as it is just a drawing, not the actual item.  This has been done before on golden age toys, like the Frankenstein rising off slab, from the 70's...(name?)  It had gorgeous Karloff monster art, and looked Nothing like any film Monster I ever seen.  More recently, that 6ft mecha Frankenstein Halloween thingy, also had great Karloff box art, and the figure left much to be desired!   
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: deadonarrival on September 13, 2019, 08:12:05 PM
Speaking of the shape of water figure, here is a good review and photo gallery...
https://news.toyark.com/2019/09/13/guillermo-del-toro-signature-collection-the-shape-of-water-amphibian-man-by-neca-toyark-photo-shoot-362983 (https://news.toyark.com/2019/09/13/guillermo-del-toro-signature-collection-the-shape-of-water-amphibian-man-by-neca-toyark-photo-shoot-362983)
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: deadonarrival on September 13, 2019, 08:13:56 PM
Oh yeah, i vote yes for Universal Monsters also.  ;)
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: aura of foreboding on September 13, 2019, 11:57:07 PM
You'll have to ask them. I only come up with cool ideas (nothing practical). Though, they might have have a deal before all of this happened.

Funko had Chaney.  Perhaps it is through a sublicense that we are getting the Chaney stuff.  Or, perhaps, the case doesn't impact licensing done in partnership with the Chaney Estate.

Not going to look a gift hearse, er uh horse in the mouth.  But the wonderful Super 7 card art may be some kinda loop hole.
The toy or item is either a Likeness license, or generic.  The box art, or ads can picture true film accuracy, as it is just a drawing, not the actual item.  This has been done before on golden age toys, like the Frankenstein rising off slab, from the 70's...(name?)  It had gorgeous Karloff monster art, and looked Nothing like any film Monster I ever seen.  More recently, that 6ft mecha Frankenstein Halloween thingy, also had great Karloff box art, and the figure left much to be desired!   

This has been batted around, but I want proof from someone in the industry (like Shannon) that this is a real thing and companies are actually doing this today.  It's a hard sell for me.  The Spirit Frankenstein came with the Universal license and the Karloff deal inherent with it.  The figure was just a poor sculpt.  I know, almost with certainty, that the license to use the actors' likenesses (Karloff, specifically) does not translate to use in commercial ventures (like partnerships with Pepsi and Candy companies), which is why the generic monsters are still very much a thing.  However, if this print use license deal that has been alleged to exist on here is a real thing, why wouldn't all companies take advantage of it?  HORRIFIED, I'm looking at you.   
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Lazarus on September 14, 2019, 02:01:02 AM
 They're weird about licenses.   I asked if they'd consider doing Monster Squad figures,  since that would give them access to all of the classic monsters in some form in a single license,  and probably cheaper than the classic stuff,  and they'd probably only have to license Dracula and Frank's likenesses.   Maybe a bride if they did them.  Randy said they were too obscure.  Personally I think monsters are monsters,  and they'd probably sell better than that Devil's Backbone figure did.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Subatomic_Matt on September 14, 2019, 09:40:31 AM

Universal Monsters and/or Monster Squad would be IDEAL!

Jason, Freddy, etc. are neat to watch but it’s the classic monsters that I like having toys and stuff of. Well, then and Godzilla!
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: marsattacks666 on September 14, 2019, 09:50:54 AM
Monster Squad!
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Hopefullygoodgrammar on September 14, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
I'd be down for an Ultimate Kharis, with the Tom Tyler and Chaney heads, some alternate arms and maybe a base with the Tana leaf tripod.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Count Zachula on September 14, 2019, 11:48:10 AM
They're weird about licenses.   I asked if they'd consider doing Monster Squad figures,  since that would give them access to all of the classic monsters in some form in a single license,  and probably cheaper than the classic stuff,  and they'd probably only have to license Dracula and Frank's likenesses.   Maybe a bride if they did them.  Randy said they were too obscure.  Personally I think monsters are monsters,  and they'd probably sell better than that Devil's Backbone figure did.

Monster Squad has become a Cult Classic these days. Definitely on par with Night of the Creeps (same director and NECA even did a figure for it).  I could see Super 7 doing Monster Squad figures, but NECA would ideal for them.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: MrDark1 on September 14, 2019, 11:52:26 PM
aura of foreboding, not sure if I can sell you on it, as you stated the Spirit figure came with the Karloff  license, and legal printed credit...perhaps for the box art only.  At the time I posted that Sara might need to keep a close eye on Universal, as they seem to be up to old tricks again.

As for the certainly that the Monster License is not to be used with Pepsi, or Candy companies etc, I do recall a rather recent TV spot for Honey Nut Cheerios.  The honey nut bee and the Karloff monster from Bride footage selling the cereal.  Also, a spot with the Classic Monster looking Karloff-ish (kudos Rick Baker)  selling Twix candy bars...
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: aura of foreboding on September 15, 2019, 12:29:41 PM
As for the certainly that the Monster License is not to be used with Pepsi, or Candy companies etc, I do recall a rather recent TV spot for Honey Nut Cheerios.  The honey nut bee and the Karloff monster from Bride footage selling the cereal.  Also, a spot with the Classic Monster looking Karloff-ish (kudos Rick Baker)  selling Twix candy bars...

But when were these ads?  I don't recall them anytime in the past 20 years.  The Karloff-Universal deal was struck about a decade ago.  I think the Karloff deal pretty much put the nail in the coffin for Universal using her father in such advertising.  That's why the generic monsters were used in the recent (not really, though) Pepsi/Lays Promotions.  I believe that is why the generic monsters still exist.  When you license through Universal, they still offer the generic monsters to you, as seen through the calendar, but the Karloff likeness (which Hallmark and American Greetings has) is also offered, I'd imagine for not that much more.  When DST got the Monsters license, they got the Karloff likeness included.  They had to do separate licensing for Chaney.  I'll be interested in seeing if Chaney and Universal come to a similar deal as Karloff or if they go the way of Lugosi.  When is this Chaney lawsuit supposed to end anyway?   
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Lazarus on September 15, 2019, 02:38:07 PM
The Honey Nut Cheerios ad is from 2001.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usWYTSt1VKM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usWYTSt1VKM)
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: aura of foreboding on September 15, 2019, 06:05:53 PM
The Honey Nut Cheerios ad is from 2001.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usWYTSt1VKM[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usWYTSt1VKM[/url])


Well before the Karloff lawsuit, as I suspected.  You have to remember celebrity likeness rights all stemmed from Fred Astaire dancing with a vacuum cleaner.  The Lugosi lawsuit failed.  The Astaire lawsuit prevailed, changing everything in 1985.  The Karloff settlement put even more stringent restrictions on the use of her father's image.  We have no idea the exact details, since it was a settlement, but I suspect we won't see Boris doing anymore General Mills commercials.  I could be wrong, but I doubt it.   
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Mord on September 15, 2019, 07:11:29 PM
The sad thing is, Boris & Bela never got a vote on this. I bet they would both haved loved all of this attention. Who wouldnt like their work admired and revered almost a century later? Very sad.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: aura of foreboding on September 15, 2019, 07:30:15 PM
The sad thing is, Boris & Bela never got a vote on this. I bet they would both haved loved all of this attention. Who wouldnt like their work admired and revered almost a century later? Very sad.

I agree.  Lugosi would love to have his image as Dracula everywhere.  He really loved being Dracula, and he loved his fans.  He didn't care about the money, which is why he ended up where he did.  I think it would be an honor to him to see his image everywhere and on everything, a real testament to the fact that he was Dracula. 

I think his son views this as some vindication for his father's memory.  I think he wants to protect his father's image, as anyone would.  I think he wants to payback Universal for the treatment his father received.  I also think he's sour because he lost his lawsuit against them back in the '70s.  I think Universal does try to screw the heirs, and I think Lugosi, Jr. isn't playing the game anymore.  Who can blame him? 

The whole thing is sad. 

I really thought the Karloff settlement would mean a lot more Boris, and it has... but the generic Frankenstein is still very much with us.  I have attempted to rationalize this, but I'd really like someone with some firsthand knowledge of the settlement to explain why we are still getting generic Frankenstein on merchandise.  I'm pretty sure we can chalk it up to greed on the part of Universal, but I'd like confirmation. 

   
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: MrDark1 on September 15, 2019, 11:08:49 PM
Asked-and Answered.  Your suspicions are correct sir.
Universal charges More for the Likeness Monsters, and offers the generic cartoons for much less.
They keep all profits from the non-likeness characters, as per the law, they have to pay each actors estate a share of the license fees.
The Universal lawyers hate paying the estates, so they created the generic cartoons, weakening the Monster brand with confusion, and red tape.

The Karloff settlement was reached in 2001.  Shortly after, the Cheerios commercial aired, and the Twix commercial aired around '98-'99 and I assume they paid more for the Likeness rights at that time.   They paid big to Sara, and yes some Karloff items have been released.  Though, I suspect the bottom line is what rules, and to receive all monies from the generic look will pad that total much more than sharing profits-settlement-mettlement.

Who knows when, or if these lawsuits will end.  The Chaney estate shares so many of the Classic Monsters images we all grew up with.  Chaney Jr having played all their monster characters, it is why we only get some Karloff products, and the Creature, as it has no Likeness issues.  The way Universal insist on handling their license of the Classic Monsters still has me holding my breath in hopes that Disney will soon gobble them up too!  Then with their keen licensing sense, the House of Mouse will honor the Classic Monsters, and treat them as the true cinematic Icons they are, and we all so desire to collect.

   
 
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: aura of foreboding on September 16, 2019, 12:27:36 AM
The Karloff settlement was reached in 2001.  Shortly after, the Cheerios commercial aired, and the Twix commercial aired around '98-'99 and I assume they paid more for the Likeness rights at that time.   They paid big to Sara, and yes some Karloff items have been released.  Though, I suspect the bottom line is what rules, and to receive all monies from the generic look will pad that total much more than sharing profits-settlement-mettlement.

Interesting.  I thought it was 2003, as the Legacy Collections, released in 2004, were the first to use a mock-up of the Karloff Universal Monsters logo used for almost 15 years. 

The reason I said I doubted we'd see any more Karloff advertisements is due to this portion of the letter Sara Karloff released after the settlement:

Quote
In a separate Summary Judgment any question regarding my position as the legally registered rights holder under California statute was resolved in my favor. I retain all rights to the likeness of my father,Boris Karloff. This is most signifcant in that it allows me to maintain an appropriate standard of good taste when my father’s likeness is used. That has always been a primary concern and objective of the family.

You may recall the huge number of commercials that featured the Universal Monster characters in the 1980s/1990s.  Then, they all stopped.  That Cheerios one was the last, which is why I assumed it aired before the Karloff settlement.  Perhaps it was in the works already and it was legally allowed to air.   

That "good taste" language was the reason the Fred Astaire lawsuit was brought to court in the first place. 
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: MrDark1 on September 16, 2019, 03:40:46 AM
"...it allows me to maintain an appropriate standard of good taste when my father's likeness is used."

Again, why I've called upon Sara to look into, and check up on Universal's tasteless standards when her father's likeness is used.

Like the Spirit life size figure (dreadful), it isn't just a case of the sculptor not having the ability to achieve a likeness, these products get checked by Universal before final release, sure seems like there could have been lots of red tape, and confusion, to arrive at that final piece of mess.  As the box has the Legal Lines of Sara's settlement agreement, showing her family's primary concern and objective were once again met.   
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: Blue Fang on September 16, 2019, 05:04:57 AM
Disney taking over the Universal Monsters

Good freaking gravy you just gave me a horrendous nightmare. Disney taking over the Universal Monsters would be an absolute disaster
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: aura of foreboding on September 16, 2019, 09:20:42 PM
"...it allows me to maintain an appropriate standard of good taste when my father's likeness is used."

Again, why I've called upon Sara to look into, and check up on Universal's tasteless standards when her father's likeness is used.

Like the Spirit life size figure (dreadful), it isn't just a case of the sculptor not having the ability to achieve a likeness, these products get checked by Universal before final release, sure seems like there could have been lots of red tape, and confusion, to arrive at that final piece of mess.  As the box has the Legal Lines of Sara's settlement agreement, showing her family's primary concern and objective were once again met.

Yeah, but bad sculpts aren't generally what "good taste" references in the law.   ;)
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: fearliath on September 16, 2019, 10:54:40 PM
Disney taking over the Universal Monsters

Good freaking gravy you just gave me a horrendous nightmare. Disney taking over the Universal Monsters would be an absolute disaster

I could not disagree more. It would be the best thing to happen to the monsters since the Creature from the Black Lagoon. Hear me out. I’ve mentioned this before at least once. Disney has somehow kept the most boring cartoon animal in history as the most recognizable cartoon character on planet earth for almost 100 years. There is objectively nothing interesting about Micky Mouse. But kids still watch MM cartoons and their parents pay unholy amounts of money to take their kids to his theme park to get pictures with him. And they haven’t really done much to modernize the character. If they can do that with a boring mouse and his slightly less boring friends they could certainly keep the monsters front and center as cultural icons. There would be an entire amusement park dedicated to them.

“But they’d dumb the monsters down into kid friendly versions”. Maybe for some merchandising (so what?) but they sure haven’t done bad with Marvel. Every kid still knows what Frankenstein & Dracula look like in spite of Universal. If Disney had the reigns there is absolutely no way every store from Dollar Tree to Target to Nordstrom wouldn’t be selling licensed Universal Monster swag from August through October and every other month as well. Love em or hate em but Disney does know how to do things right 99% of the time.
Title: Re: Would You Want Neca Universal Monsters?
Post by: MrDark1 on September 17, 2019, 12:23:12 AM
aura of foreboding wrote: Yeah, but bad sculpts aren't generally what "good taste" references in the law.

True, but the possible pushing, tricking, heavy handedness, cajoling, switching, confusion, and layers upon layers of red tape from the top, to make sure it is the bad sculpt released, just might be.

fearliath, could not have said it better! (Though, I try...)  Disney would not be bothered by the Law that gives the actors heirs a share of profits on licensing.  Yes, they own all cartoon images outright, but as mentioned, the brands they have acquired, have been treated with the upmost respect, and the company is rewarded handsomely, as well as the fans.  Star Wars, Marvel, Mickey, Peanuts (soon), Simpsons, I just don't think Disney would take up this stupid petty battle, that only damages the brand in the end.  Disney is a powerhouse, and what's more than frustrating is Universal is not too weak in publicizing that they rake in Billions yearly from their licensing dept.  Layers, and non-creatives continue to destroy their own icons, all for the bottom line...lets see, where were we, oh, yea..math problem, take $5,000. minus 1 to 2 Billion = man, just no profit!!