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Title: Universal Pulls the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: emazers on November 08, 2017, 12:09:06 PM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/259376/universal-plugs-plug-dark-universe/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/259376/universal-plugs-plug-dark-universe/)
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Big Bad Wolf on November 08, 2017, 12:47:27 PM
I was going to make a thread on this, but I see I've been beaten to it. I guess no matter how fast I type, I'll always lose the race when someone can just post a link. :P

I'll just paste what I was GOING to say in here, because I don't feel much like deleting it.

Welp, it seems like the Dark Universe - at least in the form that was planned - is dead. The top two members of the team driving this project, Alex Kurtzman (who directed The Mummy and Chris Morgan, have departed. The huge office that Universal built specifically to develop the Dark Universe is now totally empty. Universal is now allegedly back to the drawing board, considering their options for the classic monsters now that the Dark Universe is such a bust.

Their remake/sequel/thing of Bride of Frankenstein is apparently still in the cards with Bill Condon attached to direct, however it's been shelved so they can work on the script. If it does happen, I won't be surprised if all references to the Dark Universe are removed so it can stand by itself as its own thing.

They're considering their options. For instance, offering classic monster films to high profile filmmakers or producers without any expectation that they need to build a shared universe at all. Jason Blum of Blumhouse Pictures has been mentioned, and it's no surprise given the massive success of Get Out. However they are also apparently still open to doing some version of the "shared monster universe" concept if they can find a new architect to give the project a complete overhaul.

So for now, while they still surely want to do SOMETHING with this franchise, they're back to the drawing board.

Again.

Which wouldn't have happened had they just done what they should have done in the first place. If they hadn't destroyed The Wolfman with their poor decisions, things could have gone very differently. In fact, all the pieces were there for them to pull this off. When Legendary Pictures parted ways with Warner Bros, who did they turn to? Universal. Who has a working relationship with both Universal and Legendary Pictures? Guillermo Del Toro, who is a known MEGA FAN of the classic monsters, whose Creature from the Black Lagoon remake was passed on and who has now made a new film, The Shape of Water, that is not only inspired by CFTBL but is also a serious Oscar contender.

With Guillermo Del Toro as the chief architect of this project, it would have been amazing. What's that, Universal? Scared of the budgets these films would require? Why, Legendary Pictures can easily help foot the bill! That's why you partnered with them in the first place!

But they didn't do that. The smartest thing they could have done, and...they didn't do it. And now we're here.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Kidagain on November 08, 2017, 01:07:01 PM
They need a group like us to take over that space and set the wheels in motion to come up with bringing the true Universal Monsters back from the grave to wreck havoc on the population again.I'm sure we can do way better than the people that are in charge there now.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: YoungestMonsterKid on November 08, 2017, 01:21:49 PM
Hmmph.
Guess this'll just be a mystery for a while on if it's totally scrapped or what.
I for one, am fine with it ending now. Better they only make one bad movie than a series of interconnected bad movies. But of course, the later movies could have been good too.
I guess I've been just so worried about them screwing it up is all.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Count_Zirock on November 08, 2017, 07:44:33 PM
Best news I've seen in awhile. Johnny Depp slurring his way through "The Invisible Man" would have been a gross insult to both James Whale and Claude Rains.

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Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: FrankFan95 on November 08, 2017, 09:20:45 PM
Not shocked just such a waste of time and money with the new Mummy flick.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Gillfan on November 08, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
My takeaway from the article is that I really want to see pix of the offices they decorated with monster stuff.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Universal Steve on November 08, 2017, 11:38:23 PM
Good riddance! They didn't know what they were doing and were ruining the memory of the classic monsters!
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: StyreneDude on November 09, 2017, 04:51:25 AM
There was one huge flaw in the entire idea to begin with. Universal has been credited with creating the first "shared universe" in movies with their monster rally films of the 1940's. The problem with that is, it was purely accidental. Those films weren't part of some grand vision, nor were they a culmination reached after establishing ideas from previous films...they were nothing more than a last ditch attempt at squeezing a few more bucks out of individual monsters who had reached a dead end by that point. The studio didn't know what to do with Dracula, Frankenstein, or the Wolf Man anymore, so they decided to team them up. Simple as that. And though they do have some entertainment value, with Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man being the best, they are the weakest films in the series. It's no wonder that after two such rallies, the monsters were DOA, and their last hurrah was as the butt of jokes in Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein. Don't get me wrong...I love those films, but let's be honest...they're B films at best, not on the same level as the masterpieces of the 1930's.

Universal doesn't remember it's own history with these characters. They act like they were a chef carefully adding ingredients one at a time to produce something great. In reality, it was hey, let's chuck all these leftovers in a blender...somebody will eat it.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Wolfman on November 09, 2017, 07:35:03 AM
Best news yet! Hey Universal, how about coming up with some NEW monsters? Oh, wait a second, that would require a thought process. Silly me. You want to do something with the classic monsters, how about making that lunchbox you ditched. Give us some new quality products to buy. I'm perfectly content watching the original classics over and over and over again.

JP
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Crossbonez74 on November 09, 2017, 08:16:41 AM
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Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Gory Glenn on November 09, 2017, 02:10:29 PM
I think that "The Wolfman 2010" and "Dracula Untold" were both better Universal Monster movies than the new Mummy.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Anton Phibes on November 09, 2017, 03:23:02 PM
I think that "The Wolfman 2010" and "Dracula Untold" were both better Universal Monster movies than the new Mummy.

YUP. YUP. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. 8)
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: sfs99a on November 09, 2017, 04:28:58 PM
The reboot film was written by Jeff Rovin, the return of the wolfman, published in 1998, was a perfect adaption choice to reintroduce these chracters. Bring in someone like Landis or Deltoro to oversee it, you  can't go wrong, write good strong character driven stories, the rest will take care of itself.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Big Bad Wolf on November 09, 2017, 05:14:20 PM
The thing is, all that nonsense about how the classic monsters just can't work today, blah blah blah, I don't buy it. I don't buy it for one second. I know for a fact that it's perfectly within the realm of possibility to make films that are faithful and respectful to these characters that would resonate with modern audiences.

Know why I know that? Because it happened before. Y'know, when Hammer showed up and blew those doors wide open again. And of course people like to pretend that the Hammer era came before the rise of sophisticated, more realistic, more psychologically complex horror and thriller films, but the truth is that's a load of crap too. Psycho came out in 1960 for goodness sake. Did that stop the Hammer train from rolling along? Hell no. The Hammer films came out alongside these more hard-edged, more realistic horror films.

Yes, they died out eventually while other films became more realistic, or more cruel, or both, but I refuse to believe that's a slight on the material. I've read Dracula and Frankenstein and I'm sure many of you have as well. Those of us who know those tales know that their contents can stand shoulder to shoulder with the likes of Rosemary's Baby or The Exorcist or The Texas Chain Saw Massacre in terms of brutality and terror. That this hasn't always been reflected in adaptations over the years does not reflect poorly on the source material.

In an era where a slow burn, subtle, period piece horror film like The Witch can actually be made, and made well, and recognized for its greatness, there's no excuse. None. The narrative that the classic monsters cannot function on film in the modern era in such a way that respects their sources is absolute nonsense, and I strongly reject it.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: YoungestMonsterKid on November 09, 2017, 08:28:54 PM
In an era where a slow burn, subtle, period piece horror film like The Witch can actually be made, and made well, and recognized for its greatness, there's no excuse. None. The narrative that the classic monsters cannot function on film in the modern era in such a way that respects their sources is absolute nonsense, and I strongly reject it.
This is very true.
Really the thing is that they can't work when they're done by incompetent directors, writers, and actors.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: StyreneDude on November 09, 2017, 11:30:07 PM
Yeah, I don't get it either. Period dramas are made all the time...the notion that the monsters need to be set in present day to be accepted is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Big Bad Wolf on November 10, 2017, 12:30:28 AM
This is very true.
Really the thing is that they can't work when they're done by incompetent directors, writers, and actors.
Not to get off topic but it's similar to the problem Superman has. The real problem is that everyone THINKS there's a problem that needs fixing. The real problem is that it's become popular to assume there's something wrong with the source material that doesn't work today.

It's not the source material. It's not Superman. It's not the classic monsters. It's incompetent filmmakers who BELIEVE the lie and run with it, winning over the Hollywood execs with pitches full of buzz words like "for today" and "more edgy" and "modernized" and all that crap that relies on the false premise of "something wrong with them" to even work. The execs think they don't work, so they hire idiots who also think they don't work, they giggle about it while they desecrate these stories and these characters, and then when no one responds to it, what do they do?

They blame the source material. "Man of Steel didn't fail because it was dark and depressing and Superman was always brooding and he didn't care about all the collateral damage and he snapped Zod's neck, it failed because Superman just doesn't appeal to anybody!" It's like they're too dumb or too prideful or too dumb AND prideful to realize or admit that it's THEIR STUPID TAKES on these characters that don't appeal to anybody. That it's THEIR LAME "FIXES" that don't appeal to anybody.

I mean, just do a quick visual test. Pull up a photo of Spider-Man from the comics, or the old 90s cartoon, whatever. Now pull up a photo of Spider-Man from the new movie that came out earlier this year.

They look alike, don't they? You can tell that they're the same guy.

Now do it again, but this time, start with the classic Dracula. You can pluck an image from the movie, or hell, use a modern collectible or Halloween decoration or costume. Pretty consistent right? The tux, the cape, the widows peak, lot of times he's got that nifty medallion. Juxtapose that to Luke Evans in a random shot from Dracula Untold.

I bet if you showed a kid both the classic Dracula and the Luke Evans Dracula, they probably wouldn't even know they were supposed to be the same guy. Luke Evans doesn't look anything like Karloff!

You can't say "this character doesn't work unless we change it" and then when your stupid changes don't succeed you suddenly say "well it's the character's fault". No buddy, it's YOUR fault. YOU did something stupid that you didn't even need to do, and it failed, and you're too dang prideful to admit it.

Can you guys tell this makes me angry? :P
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: ChristineBCW on November 10, 2017, 12:55:10 PM
Can you guys tell this makes me angry? :P
And I'll join you on that angery plateau.  It's not so desolate. 

I particularly object to the constant regurgiations of origins.  What a waste of good celluloid.  "Sorry - we lack creativity so we must fill at least half of a 2-hour film with a retreated origin story.  Our movie will SUCK and anyone tricked into seeing this tale for the first time will never want to go back and watch earlier films.  So we kinda owe it to explain Clark's meteor rocketship in the field, and Batman's parents standing in an alley, and Uncle Ben not making rice anymore."

But I don't get the emotional neediness that begs for synthesizing some "universe" concept.  "Oh gee, our Wolfman movie can't be successful even if we get good writers, actors and directors - we must have a Seal Of Approval.  Say, is that CCA stamp still around? No?  Gee, well, let's dream up a Universe concept."

What the - ?!!  I just don't get it. 

Make good films.  That's the secret, Hollywood financiers. 

(By the way, it's kinda fun to guess which would be the correct title: "Pulls the plug" or "Plugs the hole".)
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Count Zero on November 10, 2017, 02:09:22 PM
universal & kurtzman  just announced a sequel to the tom cruise mummy flick.

The Mummy II: The Legend of Curly's Gold
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Joseph_Baeza on November 10, 2017, 04:04:54 PM
"This is truly shocking.  I thought the Tom Cruise Mummy movie was magnificent and showed so much promise for the Dark Universe!"...said No One Ever.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Crossbonez74 on November 10, 2017, 04:47:23 PM
"This is truly shocking.  I thought the Tom Cruise Mummy movie was magnificent and showed so much promise for the Dark Universe!"...said No One Ever.

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Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: ChristineBCW on November 10, 2017, 07:37:03 PM
So, it's NOT called IMF - The Impossible Mummy Film?!!  darn... I'm gonna lose that bet.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: BaronVolka on November 10, 2017, 08:53:08 PM
IT just made over six hundred million dollars at the box office.

There is no excuse not to make these as horror movies now, and there is no excuse to spend any more than 40 million on a single film.

Universal needs to pull its head out of its butt and get over their obsession with the 1999 Mummy.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Dr.Cyclops on November 11, 2017, 01:38:44 AM
I'm glad they pulled the plug.
It seemed it was really ill conceived from the get-go. Haphazardly thrown together as a cash grab
to get in on the Marvel/DC action. It reeked of failure.
They need to destroy all copies of the reboot going back to Wolfman and
spend a couple of years developing a properly conceived idea for a new Dark Universe while talking to fans from this forum for ideas. IMHO
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Big Bad Wolf on November 11, 2017, 04:02:23 AM
while talking to fans from this forum for ideas. IMHO
I actually think I have a pretty solid pitch for a Wolfman movie. One that could meet a lot of their criteria (lends itself to cool action scenes and spectacle, does a lot of world building, has a mash up element) while still working within established Wolfman themes (relationship between man and beast) and building organically from them.

Gist of it is, Larry Talbot goes to the Island of Doctor Moreau looking for a cure. Moreau explains that he was inspired after an expedition to the Amazon where he witnessed a mysterious amphibious Gillman prowling around the unexplored Black Lagoon. Larry transforms and the Wolfman fights a lot of hybrid beast folk in lush jungle environment. With the help of a faction of rebellious beast folk trying to take Moreau down and save the rest of their people, Larry starts to learn how to control his inner beast. Climax? Larry and the beast folk siege Moreau's compound. Larry wolfs out and fights a very angry captive Gillman (Moreau wanted to alter the Gillman and actually remove his gills, as in The Creature Walks Among Us). In the end, Gillman is set free,  Moreau is no more, and Larry decides to stay on the island to try to learn to live with his curse and take better control of it.

End credits stinger: we discover Moreau's benefactor (since the rest of the scientific community rejected him) is none other than Doctor Pretorius. Turns out Moreau owes him something in return: the lost journal of Victor Frankenstein. It just so happens Pretorius has a friend with a vested interest in going to that island and retrieving that journal. A very big, strong friend who looks suspiciously like Karloff...
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Dr.Cyclops on November 11, 2017, 04:07:32 AM
I actually think I have a pretty solid pitch for a Wolfman movie. One that could meet a lot of their criteria (lends itself to cool action scenes and spectacle, does a lot of world building, has a mash up element) while still working within established Wolfman themes (relationship between man and beast) and building organically from them.

Gist of it is, Larry Talbot goes to the Island of Doctor Moreau looking for a cure. Moreau explains that he was inspired after an expedition to the Amazon where he witnessed a mysterious amphibious Gillman prowling around the unexplored Black Lagoon. Larry transforms and the Wolfman fights a lot of hybrid beast folk in lush jungle environment. With the help of a faction of rebellious beast folk trying to take Moreau down and save the rest of their people, Larry starts to learn how to control his inner beast. Climax? Larry and the beast folk siege Moreau's compound. Larry wolfs out and fights a very angry captive Gillman (Moreau wanted to alter the Gillman and actually remove his gills, as in The Creature Walks Among Us). In the end, Gillman is set free,  Moreau is no more, and Larry decides to stay on the island to try to learn to live with his curse and take better control of it.

End credits stinger: we discover Moreau's benefactor (since the rest of the scientific community rejected him) is none other than Doctor Pretorius. Turns out Moreau owes him something in return: the lost journal of Victor Frankenstein. It just so happens Pretorius has a friend with a vested interest in going to that island and retrieving that journal. A very big, strong friend who looks suspiciously like Karloff...
You sold me. Where do I sign up?
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: StyreneDude on November 11, 2017, 11:47:06 AM
My idea has always been to use the 2010 Wolfman as the springboard to the rest of the Universal Monsters.

1. It was a damn good movie on it's own, and the closest in tone to the originals.
2. It already had a perfect setup for a sequel.

Bring back Hugo Weaving...having been bitten by Larry Talbot at the end of the Wolfman, he returns to Scotland Yard and becomes the Werewolf of London, where he is assigned to solve a series of grisly murders he himself is committing. How's THAT for drama? Desperate to cure himself he seeks out either A. Dr. Griffin, B. Dr. Jekyll, or C. Dr. Frankenstein. The rest practically writes itself, and it's a perfect natural progression of the story.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: BaronVolka on November 11, 2017, 12:17:28 PM
I don't think Universal should go back to any of their previous attempts to reboot the UM. The Wolfman had a darker tone but it was still a mess that went about its title character in a completely wrong headed fashion. A slasher movie with fangs and fur. Dracula Untold was no different than The Mummy, just with no Tom Cruise. Instead Universal should try its hand at one of the monsters we haven't seen in a while like the Creature or the Invisible Man. IM might be a bit easier to work with since his entire shtick lends itself well to a haunted house aesthetic to ease the audience into the idea of accepting monster movies again.

There are plenty of hungry young horror directors who've had huge critical successes that will get horror fans to sit up and pay attention. The director of it follows said that Creature from the Black Lagoon was a huge influence on him for God's sake!
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Mike Scott on November 11, 2017, 03:36:59 PM
IM might be a bit easier to work with since his entire shtick lends itself well to a haunted house aesthetic to ease the audience into the idea of accepting monster movies again.

You just know that if they do a movie called THE INVISIBLE MAN, that it won't be Well's story. In which case, they might as well call it HOLLOW MAN (if that one wasn't already taken).
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Big Bad Wolf on November 11, 2017, 04:08:13 PM
You just know that if they do a movie called THE INVISIBLE MAN, that it won't be Well's story. In which case, they might as well call it HOLLOW MAN (if that one wasn't already taken).

Boy, you really called it. Could be you're just joking but...if not, wow.

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Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Mike Scott on November 11, 2017, 05:53:11 PM
Could be you're just joking but...

No joke, this time.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Remco Wolfman on May 17, 2018, 08:25:42 PM
I saw this article fairly concretely alluding to more Dark Universe. The embedded tweet is from a week and a half ago but I hadn't heard anything (admittedly, I wasn't looking either).

http://universalmonstersuniverse.com/2018/05/17/breaking-monsters-things-in-the-works-for-universals-dark-universe/ (http://universalmonstersuniverse.com/2018/05/17/breaking-monsters-things-in-the-works-for-universals-dark-universe/)
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Big Bad Wolf on May 17, 2018, 09:41:54 PM
We'll see.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: YoungestMonsterKid on June 10, 2018, 05:10:13 PM
You just know that if they do a movie called THE INVISIBLE MAN, that it won't be Well's story. In which case, they might as well call it HOLLOW MAN (if that one wasn't already taken).
By that unfair logic should Universal just have called their first Frankenstein something else since it was a loose adaptation?
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Mike Scott on June 10, 2018, 05:24:52 PM
By that unfair logic should Universal just have called their first Frankenstein something else since it was a loose adaptation?


I said ". . it won't be Well's story.", whereas "Frankenstein" is clearly an adaption of Shelly's. (The doctor's name is "Frankenstein".) If the movie is just about an invisible man, but not Jack Griffin, you'll only confuse people by calling it "The Invisible Man".
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Big Bad Wolf on June 10, 2018, 06:44:08 PM
I'm calling it now, one of two things is happening or will happen.

A) The upcoming Halloween, which is from Universal and Blumhouse, will be a litmus test for Universal about whether or not to trust them with the classic monsters. Should that film succeed, I think that's the route they'll go.

or

B) They've already made the decision to hand them to Blumhouse anyway, and we'll probably hear something about it around SDCC this year.

Whether any such thing bodes well for the Dark Universe they planned on building, I obviously can't say.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Mike Scott on June 10, 2018, 07:37:45 PM
I'm calling it now . .

Too late! I already gave up on it a long time ago.  ;D
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Wolfman on June 11, 2018, 06:39:59 AM
I'm more than content with the originals. Hey Universal, here's a novel idea. Try to think of something new.

JP
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Big Bad Wolf on June 11, 2018, 11:24:06 AM
This isn't very constructive or relevant, but...I only just realized the thread title says they plug the plug.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Mike Scott on June 11, 2018, 01:28:27 PM
I only just realized the thread title says they plug the plug.

Ha! So it does! I changed it to "pulls".
Title: Re: Universal Pulls the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: ChristineBCW on June 11, 2018, 04:20:10 PM
And thanks for that title modification.  I hope the temptation of changing it to "pulls the finger" wasn't too great - I get the feeling that both would have been correct.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: YoungestMonsterKid on June 11, 2018, 10:08:45 PM
Ha! So it does! I changed it to "pulls".
Oh, I actually thought that title was intentional. Like it meant, they pulled the plug but now they're un-pulling the plug.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Big Bad Wolf on June 11, 2018, 10:28:55 PM
Oh, I actually thought that title was intentional. Like it meant, they pulled the plug but now they're un-pulling the plug.

I mean, I suspect they might do that eventually. With Blumhouse. But we'll see.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Mord on June 12, 2018, 06:46:43 AM
I mean, I suspect they might do that eventually. With Blumhouse. But we'll see.
Blumhouse has been behind most of the great modern horror films of the last few years. I'd be willing to give them a chance.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Mike Scott on June 12, 2018, 08:21:25 AM
Blumhouse has been behind most of the great modern horror films of the last few years.


Who's Blumhouse?
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Mord on June 12, 2018, 10:36:28 AM

Who's Blumhouse?
Jason Blum's production company. They do horror films with brains on a modest budget. It seems I see their name on a lot of my dvds/bluray. "Get Out", "The Gift", Insidious", The Visit", "Happy Death Day"....all good quality horror.
Title: Re: Universal Pulls the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Anton Phibes on June 12, 2018, 10:41:53 AM
I like all those Insidious Movies. They're...I dunno, different. Kind of like what Marvel's Dr. Strange could have been if they played it spooky rather than the way the chose.
Title: Re: Universal Pulls the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: KCE83 on June 12, 2018, 02:25:57 PM
Kind of like what Marvel's Dr. Strange could have been if they played it spooky rather than the way the chose.

I thought the same thing when I saw the first one!
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Big Bad Wolf on June 12, 2018, 03:00:29 PM

Who's Blumhouse?

Blumhouse is the company that was handed Halloween, didn't screw around like everyone else who tried to make one in the years since RZ's second one, and made what looks like it's going to be the best sequel in the franchise and maybe this year's It.

With Universal.

Hence why I'm convinced that Universal will wind up saying "wow, these guys know how to take dormant, even dead horror franchises and resurrect them with style" and hand them the classic monsters. If they haven't already.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: zombiehorror on June 12, 2018, 05:01:25 PM
Hence why I'm convinced that Universal will wind up saying "wow, these guys know how to take dormant, even dead horror franchises and resurrect them with style" and hand them the classic monsters. If they haven't already.

But Universal would also have to acknowledge "if it ain't broke don't fix it" and let Blumhouse do the monsters as gothic-horror movies instead of action/adventure yarns.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Big Bad Wolf on June 12, 2018, 07:19:32 PM
But Universal would also have to acknowledge "if it ain't broke don't fix it" and let Blumhouse do the monsters as gothic-horror movies instead of action/adventure yarns.

That's definitely the next question. If they want these films to succeed they need to stop trying to change these characters and the worlds they inhabit into something they're not. But we don't know what the factors will be to the agreement. The only thing safe to assume is that Blumhouse will be expected to do them as horror films and on a budget that isn't so darn huge. Beyond that, who knows what approach they'd take?
Title: Re: Universal Pulls the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Anton Phibes on August 19, 2018, 12:13:50 PM
More Blumhouse chatter;

https://www.cbr.com/jason-blum-dark-universe-interest/ (https://www.cbr.com/jason-blum-dark-universe-interest/)
Title: Re: Universal Pulls the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: aura of foreboding on August 19, 2018, 02:52:23 PM
More Blumhouse chatter;

https://www.cbr.com/jason-blum-dark-universe-interest/ (https://www.cbr.com/jason-blum-dark-universe-interest/)

So what do we think of this? 
Title: Re: Universal Pulls the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: zombiehorror on August 19, 2018, 09:53:00 PM
So what do we think of this?

It's pretty much already been discussed here.  If Universal isn't willing to let Blumhouse take the reigns without interference then they'll still find a way to f*ck this franchise/universe up.  They did it with 2010's Wolfman, I'm sure they tinkered with Dracula Untold and they did it with the whole concept of this action/adventure-big budget-star lead dark universe.
Title: Re: Universal Pulls the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: Big Bad Wolf on August 19, 2018, 10:39:02 PM
I'm sure they tinkered with Dracula Untold
I have the original screenplay. From 2006. They absolutely tinkered with it. Which is putting it mildly. A lot got cut out before the cameras even rolled because they wanted a smaller budget and a PG-13 rating, and they cut out some more afterward too and changed things around to make way for Charles Dance's nameless vampire master, rather than the vampire Caligula they planned on.

The infuriating thing about a lot of the unproduced screenplays I've gathered is that they're usually not that bad, even great sometimes. It sucks knowing something mediocre (or worse) made it to theaters while better ideas sit wasted on old drafts that got tossed out.
Title: Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
Post by: TheMadScientist on September 15, 2018, 08:53:06 PM
But Universal would also have to acknowledge "if it ain't broke don't fix it" and let Blumhouse do the monsters as gothic-horror movies instead of action/adventure yarns.

I'm not going to hold my breath on it happening, but I 100% agree that any remakes would work best as gothic-horror movies. I think the Penny Dreadful tv show (which I liked aspects of) is close to what I would ideally want. Maybe a less somber version of that, featuring character designs close to their iconic looks. I doubt it will happen, but a guy can dream. haha