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Title: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: hugohernandez on March 22, 2017, 08:06:10 AM
Okay who was the lucky duck that bought that Frankenstein Vintage Binder in near mint shape BIN?    For 22.00!!!!!!!?????

somebody surely from here?

Oh man....
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Count Zero on March 22, 2017, 08:09:46 AM
holy guacamole
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: zman1981 on March 22, 2017, 09:43:48 AM
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Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: hugohernandez on March 22, 2017, 12:37:10 PM
Wow Zman was it you?
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Mike Scott on March 22, 2017, 12:57:11 PM
Whaaaaa????  OK, it's a little early for April Fools jokes, guys!  ;D

Congrats to the lucky sucka!  :)
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: zman1981 on March 22, 2017, 03:46:41 PM
Wow Zman was it you?

Unfortunately, no...


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Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Wolfman on March 22, 2017, 05:37:32 PM
Is it possible it's a repro? I bought a Dracula repro binder a few years back from a fellow named Samjo.

JP
 
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: hugohernandez on March 22, 2017, 05:52:29 PM
Its not a repro, I have the real thing and buddy, this is it.   from the seal going around the edge, to the dents in the cardboard on the inside and the bow of the front panel.

real and real sad for the rest of those who missed this BIN.

I wonder if the seller knew what he had?
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Wolfman on March 22, 2017, 06:01:28 PM
Its not a repro, I have the real thing and buddy, this is it.   from the seal going around the edge, to the dents in the cardboard on the inside and the bow of the front panel.

real and real sad for the rest of those who missed this BIN.

I wonder if the seller knew what he had?
I have the original also. Just couldn't tell from this pic. I do see the warping, but someone scored a major coup on this then. Wow!

JP
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Mike Scott on March 22, 2017, 08:53:30 PM
I wonder if the seller knew what he had?

If he put it up with a BIN of $22.00, he did not!
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Palifan on March 22, 2017, 11:24:19 PM
Out of interest, what should an original go for?

Ian
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: hugohernandez on March 23, 2017, 08:07:10 AM
Ian.     was it you? 

I think I paid 350.00 back in the day, but today, right now, I bet that would of shot up towards the upper who knows?
I know a couple of people who would love to have this.    might be worth it to sell it here instead of ebay fees.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: hugohernandez on March 23, 2017, 08:08:23 AM
Is it possible it's a repro? I bought a Dracula repro binder a few years back from a fellow named Samjo.

JP

I bet your repro has an open sleeve at the top and drac is easily removed.   Plus I think Samjo lists his repro's as repro's
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Palifan on March 23, 2017, 09:07:29 AM
Ian.     was it you? 

I think I paid 350.00 back in the day, but today, right now, I bet that would of shot up towards the upper who knows?
I know a couple of people who would love to have this.    might be worth it to sell it here instead of ebay fees.

Wow! I didn't think it would be quite that much and it wasn't me.

I feel a little sorry for the seller although you really need to do just a little research when selling things and I won't feel quite as bad for them if it ended up in a collectors hands rather than someone who's just going to flip it.

someone really did get lucky and it looks to be a great condition.

Ian
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Hepcat on March 23, 2017, 09:26:54 AM
I feel a little sorry for the seller although you really need to do just a little research when selling things and I won't feel quite as bad for them if it ended up in a collectors hands rather than someone who's just going to flip it.

So long as a collector rather than a flipper got it, I'm happy. In general I'm glad to see collectors get good deals as opposed to seeing people with no appreciation of or interest in an item reaping a windfall.

 :)
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Wolfman on March 23, 2017, 10:03:18 AM
I bet your repro has an open sleeve at the top and drac is easily removed.   Plus I think Samjo lists his repro's as repro's
Yes it does.

JP
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Wolfman on March 23, 2017, 10:04:56 AM
Ian.     was it you? 

I think I paid 350.00 back in the day, but today, right now, I bet that would of shot up towards the upper who knows?
I know a couple of people who would love to have this.    might be worth it to sell it here instead of ebay fees.
I think I paid around $275-$300 for mine.

JP
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monsters For Sale on March 23, 2017, 10:05:06 AM


It was me.



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I hesitated to buy it because the seller wanted $15 for shipping.  (He shipped it 2-Day Priority.)

I had not been following these and had no idea of what price they were fetching.  Another member e-mailed me and told me I got a buy.  Then I found this thread here.

It is very clean.  Nice tight rings that line up properly.  Kinda big and heavy for a binder - made me think it was vintage, but I really had no idea...

My dumb luck.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Wolfman on March 23, 2017, 10:09:10 AM
It was me.

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I hesitated to buy it because the seller wanted $15 for shipping.  (He shipped it 2-Day Priority.)

I had not been following these and had no idea of what price they were fetching.  Another member e-mailed me and told me I gat a buy.  Then I found this thread here.

It is very clean.  Nice tight rings that line up properly.  Kinda big and heavy for a binder - made me think it was vintage, but I really had no idea...

My dumb luck.
Congrats on a major score. Nothing wrong with dumb luck. LOL

JP
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monsters For Sale on March 23, 2017, 10:15:01 AM
Congrats on a major score. Nothing wrong with dumb luck. LOL

JP

Dumb people like me need all of it we can get.

Makes a nice companion to my vintage Universal Monsters lunch box.

(Did anyone make a nice pencil box that I should be searching for?)
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Mike Scott on March 23, 2017, 10:22:15 AM
Congrats, Adam! Your Frankenstein collection deserves a binder!

I hesitated to buy it because the seller wanted $15 for shipping.

I just fainted!  :laugh:  Glad you didn't hesitate long!
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Mike Scott on March 23, 2017, 10:24:24 AM
(Did anyone make a nice pencil box that I should be searching for?)

You can check the photo archives, but I don't think so.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monsters For Sale on March 23, 2017, 10:42:50 AM
Congrats, Adam! Your Frankenstein collection deserves a binder!

I just fainted!  :laugh:  Glad you didn't hesitate long!

Well, it's nice to know I got a deal.  But I don't value it as a collectible any the more for that fact.

Knowing it is prized by others will probably affect how gently I handle it in the future.  I like to keeps things nice for whoever gets all this junk when I'm gone.


Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Hepcat on March 23, 2017, 11:13:35 AM
It was me.

It is very clean.  Nice tight rings that line up properly.  Kinda big and heavy for a binder - made me think it was vintage, but I really had no idea...

My dumb luck.

Yay! Lucky you!

 8)
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: hugohernandez on March 23, 2017, 11:48:06 AM
If he put it up with a BIN of $22.00, he did not!

Mike can you believe it?   my puny mind is still reeling.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: hugohernandez on March 23, 2017, 12:01:28 PM
CONGRATULATIONS Adam.

wow. even more lucky than my 50.00 white head Frank sharpener.

now you need Drac and Wolfman binders.

Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monsters For Sale on March 23, 2017, 12:07:48 PM
...now you need Drac and Wolfman binders.

I collect only Frankenstein.

I'll leave the others to other collectors - Hope they get them for $23 each!
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Palifan on March 23, 2017, 03:16:51 PM
Congratulations and great news to hear it was a collector who won it and even better that they're on here. I love seeing these things get into the right hands as it seems to happen less and less these days.

Enjoy it!

Ian
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: raycastile on March 24, 2017, 02:48:43 AM
Congratulations! That was a legendary score. Collectors will write songs about it.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monsters For Sale on March 24, 2017, 03:18:00 PM
Congratulations! That was a legendary score. Collectors will write songs about it.

That's a lot more likely than me ever being praised for anything I did on purpose.


Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: horrorhunter on March 24, 2017, 04:05:16 PM
That's a lot more likely than me ever being praised for anything I did on purpose.
Your wise choice of searches and persistence led to you attaining the binder much more than luck. Intelligent, knowledgeable, and energetic, yes...definitely not dumb. You deserve it. Congratulations!  :)
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: hugohernandez on March 25, 2017, 08:25:45 AM
I hope you find a GREAT SPOT to display the binder, possibly by your pencil sharpener collection.

a pic would be lovely.   
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monster Bob on March 28, 2017, 09:43:13 PM


(Did anyone make a nice pencil box that I should be searching for?)


SPP made a Monster school book bag...using the wallet art.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monster Bob on March 29, 2017, 08:50:31 AM
I'll make you cry. When those 3 ring binders first reared their heads, there was a large quantity of all 3 characters found. I bought a bunch and Bill Bruegman bought the rest. All store stock in a barn or something, The kicker was the late 1980s price: $3.00 each, as many as you wanted.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Count Zero on March 29, 2017, 09:12:26 AM
do you have any photographs of the spp school bag monster bob?

Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monsters For Sale on March 29, 2017, 09:25:45 AM
I'll make you cry. When those 3 ring binders first reared their heads, there was a large quantity of all 3 characters found. I bought a bunch and Bill Bruegman bought the rest. All store stock in a barn or something, The kicker was the late 1980s price: $3.00 each, as many as you wanted.

I knew it... I was gypped!
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Hepcat on March 29, 2017, 10:48:55 AM
do you have any photographs of the spp school bag monster bob?

I'd love to see one as well.

 ???
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: RPM on March 29, 2017, 11:37:41 AM
I'll make you cry. When those 3 ring binders first reared their heads, there was a large quantity of all 3 characters found. I bought a bunch and Bill Bruegman bought the rest. All store stock in a barn or something, The kicker was the late 1980s price: $3.00 each, as many as you wanted.

I bought a set of the binders from Larry and Gracie Eisenstein that had a large supply of them at $10 per binder back in 84 or 85. Bruegman eventually bought them out. Probably from the same find.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: RPM on March 29, 2017, 11:46:58 AM
I'll make you cry. When those 3 ring binders first reared their heads, there was a large quantity of all 3 characters found. I bought a bunch and Bill Bruegman bought the rest. All store stock in a barn or something, The kicker was the late 1980s price: $3.00 each, as many as you wanted.
Bob,
Since there were a large number of the binders, do you recall seeing the cardboard cases they were distributed in? If so, was there any manufacturer information on them?
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monster Bob on March 29, 2017, 04:09:43 PM
I remember asking but I don't think there was anything special about the box- even an address. I would have gotten them if there was ANY reason to, at the time.

There is no question in my mind these are Hassenfeld Bros product.

My father-in-law was a four color printer for years, and always brought goodies home. They likely printed thousands of the full color monster art in sheets for the box lids of the HB monster paint sets. That exact same printed sheet could be glued to a thicker piece of cardboard, cut by an industrial guillotine paper cutter, and viola. Instant binder art. Just seal it in the plastic.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Mike Scott on March 29, 2017, 05:53:21 PM
They likely printed thousands of the full color monster art in sheets for the box lids of the HB monster paint sets. That exact same printed sheet could be glued to a thicker piece of cardboard, cut by an industrial guillotine paper cutter, and viola.

I'm pretty sure there s a size difference between the two. The binder is likely larger than the paint-by box and the image on the binder is cropped.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monster Bob on March 29, 2017, 10:34:16 PM
So you reprint in a different size. Not hard to do, and art is identical, and obviously shot off the same original art, which I would love to find.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Mike Scott on March 29, 2017, 10:44:52 PM
So you reprint in a different size.

Well, yeah, but you said leftovers printed for the paint-by boxes.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monster Bob on March 29, 2017, 11:33:02 PM
You sure about the size? I ain't, but it's no mystery who made the binders to me.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Mike Scott on March 30, 2017, 12:23:15 AM
You sure about the size?


I don't know the box measurements, but looking at one photo, the art on the box could be 12" high (same as the binder), but the image on the binder is cropped some. Anybody out there got one of the paint-by boxes?

(http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/MGalleryItem.php?id=1008) (http://imageshack.com/a/img924/3553/UesqqO.jpg)
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: RPM on March 30, 2017, 08:01:03 AM
(http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy178/rmaylor/IMG_7692_zpsa6rvi1aj.jpg)
I don't know the box measurements, but looking at one photo, the art on the box could be 12" high (same as the binder), but the image on the binder is cropped some. Anybody out there got one of the paint-by boxes?

([url]http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/MGalleryItem.php?id=1008[/url]) ([url]http://imageshack.com/a/img924/3553/UesqqO.jpg[/url])


The top photo is a Wolfman cardboard artwork insert from a binder placed directly over the PBN box top. Yes, it is the same with the binder artwork cropped.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Hepcat on March 30, 2017, 08:47:51 AM
You sure about the size? I ain't, but it's no mystery who made the binders to me.

Has there been any question as to whether these binders were made by Hasbro raised on this board?

 ???
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Mike Scott on March 30, 2017, 09:55:43 AM
The top photo is a Wolfman cardboard artwork insert from a binder placed directly over the PBN box top.

It doesn't get any more definitive than that!  :)  Thanks RPM!

Had no idea those paint boxes were so HUGE! What are the dimensions of those? Do you have a Creature box?
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Mike Scott on March 30, 2017, 09:58:02 AM
Has there been any question as to whether these binders were made by Hasbro raised on this board?

Since they aren't marked, nobody knew for sure, but since the art is the same . . .
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: RPM on March 30, 2017, 11:05:39 AM
(http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy178/rmaylor/IMG_7697_zpsh1t2xpdh.jpg)

I also have a cutout of the Wolfman image from the Pencil by Numbers box top and placed it on top of the binder insert which is also identical in size.

The paint by numbers boxes measures 20 X 14
Yes, I do have the Creature

Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Mike Scott on March 30, 2017, 12:52:55 PM
The paint by numbers boxes measures 20 X 14

I never guessed they were that big!  Is there a pencil-by-numbers Creature set? I've never seen one.

Yes, I do have the Creature

Can you scan the box front for me? I want to make a Creature binder for my Creature cards ad other paper stuff. If you can, email it to me, so we don't see "rare" Creature binders poping up on ebay.  ;D
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Hepcat on March 30, 2017, 01:20:00 PM
I also have a cutout of the Wolfman image from the Pencil by Numbers box top and placed it on top of the binder insert which is also identical in size.

What?! Are you saying that Hasbro Pencil by Numbers monster sets exist as well as Paint by Numbers sets? If so, are you saying that the Pencil by Numbers box tops are identical in size to the monster binders as opposed to the Paint by Numbers sets?

 ???
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Mike Scott on March 30, 2017, 01:45:26 PM
What?! Are you saying that Hasbro Pencil by Numbers monster sets exist as well as Paint by Numbers sets?

I'm sure there are some pics in the galleries.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: RPM on March 30, 2017, 02:50:56 PM
What?! Are you saying that Hasbro Pencil by Numbers monster sets exist as well as Paint by Numbers sets? If so, are you saying that the Pencil by Numbers box tops are identical in size to the monster binders as opposed to the Paint by Numbers sets?

 ???
There are monster pencil by number sets as well. They are listed in one of the Hasbro catalogs, I believe 1964. Somewhere on here there is a picture of the catalog page, but cannot locate it. I forget if there were three or six monsters issued.
In my previous post I am stating that the pencil by number Wolfman figure that is cut out is of the same scale as the binder, but had background that extended beyond the size of the binder showing the red waist band and the lower hand holding the doorknob which is absent in the binder art. I believe the artwork for the pencil sets are the same size as the paint sets, but the box size may of been smaller, but uncertain of the box dimensions.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monster Bob on March 31, 2017, 04:46:06 AM
-Six paint by numbers sets(F D W C M P)
-Three paint/pencil set (F D W)
-Horror House Art box (culmination of other 9 sets)

The p/p sets (X3) /F D W- Same box art,  but boxes are 2/3 size of the huge PBN sets/ tall and thin instead, and partially die cut
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Mike Scott on March 31, 2017, 08:31:57 AM
Same box art,  but boxes are 2/3 size of the huge PBN sets/ tall and thin instead, and partially die cut

A die-cut box?
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monster Bob on March 31, 2017, 09:50:12 AM
Yes, that's what I'd call it. Look st the Wolfman above.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: hugohernandez on March 31, 2017, 10:10:56 AM
Monster Bob, so do you still have the plethora of those binders in your possession?   Inquiring minds want to know.


PS  I did not see a die cut box of the Wolfman as far as the paint set goes.

Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Hepcat on March 31, 2017, 12:16:44 PM
That's because the Paint by Number boxes are not diecut. The Pencil by Number boxes are evidently the diecut ones.

 cl:)
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monster Bob on March 31, 2017, 12:35:49 PM
Monster Bob, so do you still have the plethora of those binders in your possession?   Inquiring minds want to know.


PS  I did not see a die cut box of the Wolfman as far as the paint set goes.

Oh my no. Sold out of them within a week or two by word mouth...!
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: RPM on March 31, 2017, 08:21:10 PM
(http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy178/rmaylor/Universal-Pictures-Wolf-Man_zpsuaj3mxlk.jpg)
-Six paint by numbers sets(F D W C M P)
-Three paint/pencil set (F D W)
-Horror House Art box (culmination of other 9 sets)

The p/p sets (X3) /F D W- Same box art,  but boxes are 2/3 size of the huge PBN sets/ tall and thin instead, and partially die cut
Here is the only image of the pencil and paint set I could find on the web
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Mike Scott on March 31, 2017, 09:22:16 PM
Here is the only image of the pencil and paint set I could find on the web

Oh, that's the die-cut part! Little windows that show the contents. Thanks for that pic!
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Hepcat on April 01, 2017, 11:33:58 AM
I'm sure there are some pics in the galleries.

Actually there aren't any.

 :(
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Mike Scott on April 01, 2017, 01:52:33 PM
Actually there aren't any.

There will be one in the WM section, now!  :)
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monolith on April 01, 2017, 04:52:42 PM
I remember seeing a 60's dealers catalog a while back that had black and white images of the paint and pencil sets.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 01, 2017, 11:25:17 PM
([url]http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy178/rmaylor/Universal-Pictures-Wolf-Man_zpsuaj3mxlk.jpg[/url])Here is the only image of the pencil and paint set I could find on the web


The P-B-N set says they provide "Canvas Panels" (canvas boards).  The Pencil & Paint set does not state what you do your coloring on.

The Pencil & Paint set says they are "Paint Tablets".

Looks like the Paint -By-Number paints are the usual oil - and the  Pencil & Paint set uses Water Colors.

(The P-B-N set lists a Paint Brush in the contents.  The Pencil & Paint does not list a Paint Brush?)



Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: darkmonkeygod on April 04, 2017, 12:12:23 AM
There are monster pencil by number sets as well. They are listed in one of the Hasbro catalogs, I believe 1964.


They were introduced in 1963 and *I think* phased out for 1964.

-Six paint by numbers sets(F D W C M P)
-Three paint/pencil set (F D W)
-Horror House Art box (culmination of other 9 sets)

The Horror House set was released by Sears for Christmas 1963 and Christmas 1964 and does not contain the Mummy, Creature, nor Phantom. It comes with two racks of oil paint and two packs of pencils and paint, as opposed to the three racks of oil paint and three packs of pencils and paint you would have if you bought the six sets it is comprised of separately.

The P-B-N set says they provide "Canvas Panels" (canvas boards).  The Pencil & Paint set does not state what you do your coloring on.

The Pencil & Paint sets images are printed on 8x10 sheets of paper.

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The Pencil & Paint set says they are "Paint Tablets".

Which are the blocks of color under the sharpener.

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Looks like the Paint -By-Number paints are the usual oil - and the  Pencil & Paint set uses Water Colors.

This is true.

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(The P-B-N set lists a Paint Brush in the contents.  The Pencil & Paint does not list a Paint Brush?)

The Pencil & Paint sets do include a brush. They're packed in the middle of the pencil array. In the photo you can see the brush handle touching the pencil sharpener. You get only two watercolor brushes, as opposed to the three you would have if you acquired the six sets the Horror House gift box is comprised of separately.


*updated to include the fact that the gift set was sold in both the 1963 and 1964 Sears Christmas catalogs per member RPM's info as well as the number of brushes included according to the catalogue solicitation.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Mike Scott on April 04, 2017, 01:06:55 AM

The Pencil & Paint sets images are printed on 8x10 sheets of paper.


I thought this set had the same "canvas" from the paint-by-numbers set, for painting, and the 8x10 papers for the colored pencils?
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 04, 2017, 01:24:41 AM
I thought this set had the same "canvas" from the paint-by-numbers set, for painting, and the 8x10 papers for the colored pencils?

Water colors and pencils would work better with a smoother surface.

I only wondered if the set contained light weight paper or a thicker poster board.

Thanks,

Monster Bob

Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: darkmonkeygod on April 04, 2017, 01:53:34 AM
I thought this set had the same "canvas" from the paint-by-numbers set, for painting, and the 8x10 papers for the colored pencils?

The 12 pre-sketched [sic] pictures to color included in each "numbered pencil and paint set" (watercolor paints) are printed on 8x10 inch sheets of paper and are designed to be colored either with pencils or watercolors, both of which are included in each set. These sheets of paper are not of sufficient weight to hold up to being painted with oils.

The single presketched and prenumbered images in the each "oil painting by numbers" sets are printed on a 12 x 16 canvas panel, alternately referred to by Sears as cotton canvases, and are designed to be colored with oil paint. A rack of character specific color oil paints are included in each individual set. These canvas covered cardboard panels are not very thick, but can generally withstand being covered in oil paint, though I have seen quite a few that have bowed or curled a bit.

The "Horror House Paint and Pencil by Number Assortment", which is the printed on the box name of the 1963 Sears gift set, includes all 36 sheets from all three different "numbered pencil and paint sets" (including a number of triplicates) as well as the three presketched and prenumbered cotton canvases from the Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster, and Wolf Man "oil painting by numbers" sets. To my knowledge, these are the exact same printed contents as the individual sets.

Just to complete this, the differences between what you'd receive between buying the six separate sets (one each of the Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster, and Wolf Man "numbered pencil and paint sets" and one each of the Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster, and Wolf Man "oil painting by numbers" sets) besides the packaging (which is not included in the gift box) are:

The gifts set omits one rack of oil paint and the two racks that are included differ in packing from the racks included in the individual sets.

The gift set omits one package of "pencil and paints" (that's watercolor paint), so it includes two pencil and paint packages (still watercolor paint) but, to my knowledge, they are identical to the package included in the individual sets. The pencil sharpener may have been produced in multiple colors, but I've not seen that nor am I aware of one color being specific to any version if there in fact are multiple colors. There are also two small instruction sheets, one for oil paints, one for pencils (and watercolor paints) which are also, tmk, identical to the sheets packaged with the respective individual sets.



How about the great buy on that binder? Congrats to Adam!


*edited to correct the information about the number of brushes included.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Hepcat on April 04, 2017, 09:15:28 AM
The Horror House set was released by Sears for Christmas 1963 and does not contain the Mummy, Creature, nor Phantom.


(http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy178/rmaylor/DSC_0046.jpg)

So you believe the Horror House sets were a Sears exclusive?

Did you have a Horror House set as a kid? Do you have one now? How about any of the individual sets?

You get only one brush for the oils and two for water color, as opposed to the three for oil and three for water color you would have if you acquired the six sets the Horror House gift box is comprised of separately.


So you're saying that each Horror House set included one oil paint brush and two water colour brushes?

 ???
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: RPM on April 04, 2017, 09:49:09 AM
(http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy178/rmaylor/DSC_0035.jpg)
([url]http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy178/rmaylor/DSC_0046.jpg[/url])

So you believe the Horror House sets were a Sears exclusive?


 ???

The HH set was sold exclusively through Sears. it is listed in the 1963 and 1964 Sears Christmas catalogs.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Mike Scott on April 04, 2017, 10:59:54 AM
The "Horror House Paint and Pencil by Number Assortment", which is the printed on the box name of the 1963 Sears gift set, includes all 36 sheets from all three different "numbered pencil and paint sets" (including a number of triplicates) as well as the three presketched and prenumbered cotton canvases from the Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster, and Wolf Man "oil painting by numbers" sets.

OK, that's where I got the idea for that, then.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Mike Scott on April 04, 2017, 11:04:27 AM
The HH set was sold exclusively through Sears. it is listed in the 1963 and 1964 Sears Christmas catalogs.

Great catalog photo! Nothing like empirical evidence!
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 04, 2017, 01:48:25 PM
Great catalog photo! Nothing like empirical evidence!


Anyone wanting to research old toys:

Here is a collection of over 25,000 scans of catalog pages.  Not just Sears Wishbooks, but other major catalogs.  Takes a little patience to look through so many Christmas toy sections, but it is kinda fun and very nostalgic.  Most of these are mail-order catalogs, so prices are probably a little bit higher than visiting a local store.

http://www.wishbookweb.com/the-catalogs/ (http://www.wishbookweb.com/the-catalogs/)

A great resource!

Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 04, 2017, 02:07:36 PM

I'm loving the direction this thread has taken.

It is great to learn so many details about these paint sets.  I never even knew the Pencil & Water Color set existed before.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: darkmonkeygod on April 04, 2017, 11:15:43 PM
So you believe the Horror House sets were a Sears exclusive?

That had been the common wisdom on it, and in a thread some months ago and again here, expert RPM put paid to it (for which I am ever so grateful).

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Did you have a Horror House set as a kid? Do you have one now? How about any of the individual sets?

No, I'm about a decade and a half to young to have gotten one for Christmas in '63 or '64. I didn't know this set existed until sometime in the early 2000s when I found one and brokered it for a friend, and I still don't own one. I own the Creature oil paint by number set.

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So you're saying that each Horror House set included one oil paint brush and two water colour brushes?

That is what I wrote (or meant by what I wrote) BUT looking at the catalogue add I am incorrect. It states the set contains three oil brushes and two watercolor brushes.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Hepcat on May 09, 2019, 12:13:32 PM
So just to summarize the info that's been provided on the Hasbro Horror House Paint and Pencil by Number set so far in this thread, it was sold exclusively through Sears and appeared in both the 1963 and 1964 Sears Xmas catalogues at a list price of $3.97:

(http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy178/rmaylor/DSC_0046.jpg)

It was the mother of all paint and colour by number sets! Included were:

1. The three individual 12" X 16" canvases from the Hasbro Frankenstein, Dracula and Wolf Man Paint by Number sets.
2. A whopping 36 8" X 10" sheets of sundry horror-themed scenes from the Hasbro Frankenstein, Dracula and Wolf Man Paint and Pencil sets for colouring with pencil crayons or water paints. The 36 sheets included cropped versions of the Frankenstein, Dracula and Wolf Man canvases mentioned in the line above.
3. Two racks of oil paints with a combined total of 28 vials.
4. Two mixed packs of pencil crayons and water paint cakes with a combined total of 20 pencils and 20 paint cakes.
5. Three oil paint brushes and two water paint brushes.
6. Two pencil sharpeners.

(https://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/General%20Album%203/General%20Album%203001/Hasbro%201_zpsbzgxqks2.jpg)

(https://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/General%20Album%203/General%20Album%203001/Hasbro%202_zps7omuqkym.jpg)

(https://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/General%20Album%203/General%20Album%203001/Hasbro%203_zpskufxal8e.jpg)

 cl:)
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: MadCow on May 13, 2019, 02:27:31 AM
Wow! I'd love to have just the box for that.
Title: Re: Frankenstein binder on ebay
Post by: Hepcat on May 13, 2019, 08:47:12 AM
Here's a cool Captain Company ad from Famous Monsters of Filmland magazine for these binders:

(https://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/General%20Album%203/General%20Album%203001/Hasbro%20B_zpsf518e3to.jpg)

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