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We Bid You Welcome! => Announcements => Topic started by: Toy Ranch on April 21, 2014, 04:43:34 AM

Title: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 21, 2014, 04:43:34 AM
The Universal Monster Army has decided to return to our roots and focus our forum back to what it was about when we started, which is monsters. As such, the following forums will be removed sometime on April 27, 2014.

Non-Monster Toys
Non-Monster Movies
General Discussion
Games, Polls, and Lists
Music
Sports
Technology & Video Games
Members Only

We realize this comes as a shock to many of our members, and may be very unpopular with some as well, however this decision was not made in haste, and it is not going to be reversed.  You are free to comment on this in this thread only, however if you are disruptive or abusive, your account will be suspended.

After the forums are removed, threads and posts off the topic of monsters may be deleted, at the discretion of forum moderators and administrators.

As the main General Discussion forum contains threads which are relevant to monsters and contain important parts of our history, it will be edited for non-monster content and returned in read-only form.  If there are threads in any of the forums slated for removal that contain significant monster content and you would like to remain available, please post a link to them below, and they will be reviewed and considered for moving to Gen Disc when it is returned as read-only.

Any off-topic threads that you may wish to save for posterity just hit the PRINT button in the top right toolbar and then right click and save as. You can save it to your hard drive.

Thanks for your attention and cooperation.

The Universal Monster Army Staff
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: BigShadow on April 21, 2014, 05:25:15 AM
Wow,
This place used to feel like a home to me and a place I could discuss monster stuff and a few non monster stuff as well with people I really enjoyed and shared common interests with.  The General Discussion area held a lot of monster-related topics and was a fun place to interact and get to know other members.  The Members Only thread was a great place to vent problems to others, give birthday wishes, and further bond with our fellow monster lovers.  I felt really close and secure with members due to these many sections of both monsters and non-monsters.  I think this is a huge mistake and should have been put to a vote by all members.

This is a sad day.  I'm sorry to say, with this decision, I no longer feel this is a family but a group dictated by a few people.  I guess I won't be on here as much since I really enjoyed all areas that the threads provided for us.  So sad that a few dictate the many.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 21, 2014, 06:40:56 AM
While I don't believe this to be a wise choice .. it's not my choice to make.  The non-monster issues have been few and far between.  Things such as the photos of ill/sick/dying people were out of place (I certainly hope that my kittens and cakes didn't offend anyone) and some nudity did cross the line, but these too were few and far between as well as other inappropriate remarks. I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes or if anyone has been cautioned or not.

There is no way to keep any forum 'Drama Queen' free.

It's the 'Drama Queens' who whine that they are leaving ... etc. that turns many people off.  If you are upset, PM a mod and/or not post in a thread or take a break.

Perhaps I am incorrect and this isn't related to 'Drama Queen' activity and it's something else.  Sorry but I guess that this is the last chance to air our feelings.

I am curious if the admins plan to rebate the donations made to the forum or to offer the choice to the members who did donate to (for lack of a better word) the complete forum as it was and not the new (or very old) extremely specialized forum??
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Wich2 on April 21, 2014, 06:54:29 AM
That's too bad.

I've been around since the early Yahoo days, and the more single-minded a site is, the less fun overall. Sure, the main focus is the focus; but once such a great group (and this is one of the BEST) has formed around that, it is the "other" stuff that makes that group a real community of friends.

As said above, this is sad. And it will likely mean less time spent here by many.

-Craig Wichman
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: frankenstein73 on April 21, 2014, 06:55:36 AM
Bravo, I am all for it.
I lost interest in the site and completely stopped posting due to the amount of non monster related topics that i felt should have been discussed on a different site.
it made no sense to me when i or someone would post a comment about a monster related toy or movie and get little to no feedback or interest back, yet a completely off the wall topic would get pages of discussion.
Thank you moderators for making this tough decision.
I look forward to the change.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 21, 2014, 07:01:34 AM
I am curious if the admins plan to rebate the donations made to the forum or to offer the choice to the members who did donate to (for lack of a better word) the complete forum as it was and not the new (or very old) extremely specialized forum??

It hasn't been discussed, but I will personally refund any donation made in the past 12 months by anyone who is leaving the forum due to these changes, based on a prorated amount equivalent to the daily value of the donation from the time the forums are removed to the 1 year anniversary of the donation.

In other words, if a donation of $12 was sent on November 14, and the member chooses to leave the UMA and wants a refund of their donation, they would have 201 days left on their donation, and their pro-rated refund would be $6.61.   

Just send me a PM that you would like to do that, along with your name and the approximate date and amount of your donation. I will send you the money and restrict your account.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 21, 2014, 07:03:20 AM
Bravo, I am all for it.
I lost interest in the site and completely stopped posting due to the amount of non monster related topics that i felt should have been discussed on a different site.
it made no sense to me when i or someone would post a comment about a monster related toy or movie and get little to no feedback or interest back, yet a completely off the wall topic would get pages of discussion.
Thank you moderators for making this tough decision.
I look forward to the change.


That's the primary reason for it, Frankenstein73!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: MONSTERMOSH on April 21, 2014, 07:19:02 AM
This is a great community and nothing lacks mistakes. I agree with this decision partially. I think that the threads with "non monster" in their name,sports and menbers only should be eliminated.I also think that the music,general discussion,games,polls,lists and video games threads should be left alone because all these include a lot of monster related content that is important but the non monster posts on this threads should be removed. I will stay on this great forum.

I hope more members agree with my opinion.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 21, 2014, 08:41:47 AM
it made no sense to me when i or someone would post a comment about a monster related toy or movie and get little to no feedback or interest back, yet a completely off the wall topic would get pages of discussion.

I've often wondered myself why so many monster toy threads and posts don't get the interest I expect on this board (just as I've wondered where you've been this past year but you're not set up to receive PMs).

You're making a mistake, however, to think that removing non-monster topics from this forum will somehow spark more posting in specifically monster related topics. It will not. If you think non-related threads somehow "crowd out" monster related threads, you don't understand discussion forums. It's activity that begets activity. As Toy Ranch has observed in the past, new members don't come here in a vacuum. They have a question, they are attracted to some topic they find in a random search, they find other things of interest, and then they stay. I discovered this forum doing a search for Standard Plastics monster wallets, and then discovered a lot of other cool toys and stuff. And since then I've learned about a lot of other interesting monster toys here. And that's what any forum is about, the sharing of information.

Limiting the scope of information that can be shared though is not good for a forum, this or any other.

 cl:)

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 21, 2014, 09:07:27 AM
You're making a mistake, however, to think that removing non-monster topics from this forum will somehow spark more posting in specifically monster related topics.

We don't think that, but thanks for your input.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 21, 2014, 10:21:41 AM
The Universal Monster Army has decided to return to our roots and focus our forum back to what it was about when we started, which is monsters. As such, the following forums will be removed sometime on April 27, 2014.

Non-Monster Toys
Non-Monster Movies
General Discussion
Games, Polls, and Lists
Music
Sports
Technology & Video Games
Members Only

We realize this comes as a shock to many of our members, and may be very unpopular with some as well, however this decision was not made in haste, and it is not going to be reversed.

From the standpoint of encouraging growth in membership and posting about monster-related topics on UMA, this is a mistake, a bad mistake. (Now admittedly I am assuming that the admins here have an interest in growing this board.) Non-monster threads in the appropriate forums in no way detract from monster-related discussion. Quite simply, if a topic isn't of interest, you don't click on it. If there's nothing of interest being posted, you always have the option of starting a thread of your own. And any forum ultimately lives and dies with thread starts.

Now I can to a certain extent understand the motivation of refocusing on monster related topics. Therefore I could also understand closing the non-monster related forums to new threads, or even to new posts in existing threads but even then I'd say that's going a bit too far. Members started those threads in good faith in the appropriate forum(s).

Deleting existing posts is a crime though.

First of all, there's been a wealth of great stuff posted by the members here in the forums slated for deletion. For example, Bigbud, Jimm, Horrorhunter, dlhenderson, Therin, etc. have posted some absolutely fabulous toys/items from their collections in more threads than can quickly be named - guns, wheels, dinosaurs, sports collectibles, Marx Nutty Mads, Viewmasters, etc., etc. A quick glance at the post count and views in these threads reveals how enormously popular these threads have been with the membership of this board. Sure, sure, you say we can save these threads in our hard drives, but there are hundreds and hundreds of interesting threads on this forum! I don't understand why the admins here think putting the membership of this board to such a monumental task is a good idea.

Secondly, from a personal standpoint, I've put a lot of effort into this board over the past three years. I've shared volumes and volumes on this board with other members about all kinds of stuff, both monster related and non-monster related. And I've started threads in the appropriate forums that have proven enormously popular with the other members of this board. Just check the views of threads such as my "Show your comics!", "Big Daddy" Roth, Weird-Ohs, Batman collectibles, etc. in the Non-Monster Toy forum. The care I put into not just my threads but so many of my individual posts should be obvious at even a cursory glance. I wrote these posts in good faith; I had a right to expect them to stay indefinitely. I often like to say "The internet is forever. Don't post words that you're afraid might come back to haunt you years later." But now so many of my carefully crafted and constructed sentences/paragraphs are slated to disappear on someone's whim? That to me is a hostile act. It's an absolute icy dagger to my heart. Yeah, sure, I can save some of those posts, but come on, I have over 10,000 posts now through which I have to sift.

I have to say that the admins are treating this forum as their own personal bailiwick as opposed to something built up by the membership over the years. And I know that Toy Ranch for one thinks that this forum belongs to the admins specifically as opposed to the posting members in general. But this is wrong, very wrong.

 cl:)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Anton Phibes on April 21, 2014, 11:10:04 AM
I have a quick question that may or may not be on anyone else's mind: When we say Monsters Only discussions are to occur---does this mean we arent going to be permitted to discuss Star trek, Star Wars, Comic heroes, Lost in Space, Dr. Who etc.? Or films that might feature an actor from various monster flicks in a non monster role? Not trying to be jerky: just dont want to get on some banned list for jumping the rails.  :-X

If those types of things (which all have monsters in them to some varying degree) are banned....we are gonna run out of things to talk about mighty fast. I also know that a great deal of monster nerds like myself gravitate towards the whole of geekdom., and the lines often blur between Jawas and the little gnomes from Phantasm. So---please clarify for those of us with a moderate case of OCD. :angel: Thanks. ;)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 21, 2014, 11:44:36 AM
When we say Monsters Only discussions are to occur---does this mean we arent going to be permitted to discuss Star trek, Star Wars, Comic heroes, Lost in Space, Dr. Who etc.?

I assume all sci-fi/horror/fantasy films/TV included in that one broad term.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 21, 2014, 11:59:01 AM
I have a quick question that may or may not be on anyone else's mind: When we say Monsters Only discussions are to occur---does this mean we arent going to be permitted to discuss Star trek, Star Wars, Comic heroes, Lost in Space, Dr. Who etc.? Or films that might feature an actor from various monster flicks in a non monster role? Not trying to be jerky: just dont want to get on some banned list for jumping the rails.  :-X

If those types of things (which all have monsters in them to some varying degree) are banned....we are gonna run out of things to talk about mighty fast. I also know that a great deal of monster nerds like myself gravitate towards the whole of geekdom., and the lines often blur between Jawas and the little gnomes from Phantasm. So---please clarify for those of us with a moderate case of OCD. :angel: Thanks. ;)

What Mike said, and Star Wars has monsters in it. Lost In Space has monsters in it. A lot of modern horror films don't have monsters in them but still apply. But just because some girl was in a monster movie and is also in a romantic comedy about going on a first date, we don't need a thread about the romantic comedy just because she's in it.

At the same time, the Great Gazoo in the Flintstones does not mean we have Flintstones threads.  But people aren't going to get banned for stuff unless we can see they are just trying to be disruptive.   I think you are fine, Anton.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 21, 2014, 12:03:47 PM
But just because some girl was in a monster movie and is also in a romantic comedy about going on a first date, we don't need a thread about the romantic comedy just because she's in it.

I assume we're thinking of people like Karloff, Price, Lorre for their non-monster films?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Anton Phibes on April 21, 2014, 12:24:19 PM
I assume we're thinking of people like Karloff, Price, Lorre for their non-monster films?

Correctamundo. For instance: I would watch Vincent Price in nearly anything. He is mostly known for spook shows: but he was in everything.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Fester on April 21, 2014, 01:14:50 PM
Today, I dropped by to clean out my PM list and I saw the announcement that Certain Non-Monster Related forums (fora?)are going to be deleted as of April 27.

 A quick look at my stats shows the following list of posts.
General Discussion
    1901 posts of the member's 2922
Games, Polls, and Lists
    262 posts
Modern Monster Movies
    167 posts
Members Only
    167 posts
Classic Monster Movies
    107 posts
Non-Monster Movies
    71 posts
Music
    67 posts
The Cemetery
    55 posts
Television
    35 posts
Memorable Memorabilia
    19 posts

So apparently, the message is:  STFU.

After my last post in the Serious Pants Thread,  several people PMed me asking me to stay on.  And I replied to them that after a while, I would most likely be back. 
Now there is really not much of a reason to.
It was fun, while it lasted.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: frankenstein73 on April 21, 2014, 02:34:47 PM
I've often wondered myself why so many monster toy threads and posts don't get the interest I expect on this board (just as I've wondered where you've been this past year but you're not set up to receive PMs).

You're making a mistake, however, to think that removing non-monster topics from this forum will somehow spark more posting in specifically monster related topics. It will not. If you think non-related threads somehow "crowd out" monster related threads, you don't understand discussion forums. It's activity that begets activity. As Toy Ranch has observed in the past, new members don't come here in a vacuum. They have a question, they are attracted to some topic they find in a random search, they find other things of interest, and then they stay. I discovered this forum doing a search for Standard Plastics monster wallets, and then discovered a lot of other cool toys and stuff. And since then I've learned about a lot of other interesting monster toys here. And that's what any forum is about, the sharing of information.

Limiting the scope of information that can be shared though is not good for a forum, this or any other.

 cl:)

dont take me the wrong way here hep. I Love toys in general, I have a huge gi joe and comic collection and many other non monster toys, these threads weren't the issue for me.
It was all the "personal problems threads" that was ruining everything. This forum was a great place to meet and talk to very knowledgeable people in the monster collecting world.   I have noticed that those people almost completely stopped posting on this board, why? IMO due to the fact most posts in the last year or two were full of personal problems, feelings, and arguments galore. I have seen several veteran members of this board  verbally attacked for no apparent reason.  There are a few members here as of late that seem to be looking for a fight or think its fun to spread discontent, and these off topic threads are where it usually starts.  the only chance to set things straight is to get rid of everything non monster, take away the fuel and hopefully the fire dies out. These people will either straighten up, or leave.
Its unfortunate that we will lose many great threads and discussions on other non monster toys. But worth it to me if we can get back to the grass roots and focus on our beloved monsters again.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: horrorhunter on April 21, 2014, 02:44:58 PM
I'm cool with it. I wondered why a monster related forum had so much non-monster related content.

However, I do sympathize with UMAites who invested much time and effort in the areas about to be cut.

Overall I think it will improve the site to focus on what we're here for...MONSTERS.  ;)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 21, 2014, 02:59:26 PM
...I think this is a huge mistake and should have been put to a vote by all members.

This is a sad day.  I'm sorry to say, with this decision, I no longer feel this is a family but a group dictated by a few people... So sad that a few dictate the many.

This change is just locking the door to an already closed club. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Kidagain on April 21, 2014, 03:01:02 PM
Hopefully the administrators here allow posts somewhere where a post regarding the illness or passing of one of our members be allowed. If it weren't for the Members Only or General Discussion threads were eliminated where would it go, most recently we lost Mark Stamper ( Unknown Primate). Shouldn't the membership have knowledge of such things happening? Please pick and choose what gets eliminated carefully, hey just my opinion. Thanks
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 21, 2014, 03:23:34 PM
Hopefully the administrators here allow posts somewhere where a post regarding the illness or passing of one of our members be allowed.

I think it was stated that the Cemetery would be moved to another area.
(Announcements, I think?)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 21, 2014, 03:27:31 PM
I've been on a number of forums.  Most were music related, all had 'off topic' forums .. I didn't read ALL the posts on any forum but picked what interested me and read those threads or posts as I do on this forum.  Funny how on the music forums, it was in the music threads where the opinions got hot and people got bothered the most.  Also, on every forum where I've posted, it's always seems to be people who don't start or nurture threads that complain about content or the forum being dead or slow.

Yes, I realize that this is a closed issue but no one was putting a gun to anyone's head to read all the posts or to go into pets/pictures/birthday threads etc.  My starting a birthday thread for someone didn't take away from me starting a monster related  or any other thread but added depth to the forum.  Nor does posting a picture of your beloved pet or loved ones take away from anything monster related.  These sub-forums which make us real and not just names and avatars.

At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter and  if anyone doesn't like one forum .. there are hundreds of others out there.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: long live kong on April 21, 2014, 03:40:33 PM
Although I'll miss certain threads, some of which that aren't everyone's cup tea (the Irish limericks thread for instance!), I don't think the changes will rip the heart out of the forum as some fear. We are all from different walks of life but all share one common interest - MONSTERS! We can still chat away, have a laugh and a bit of banter and get to know each other in the monster-related threads.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 21, 2014, 03:45:05 PM
(http://www.reverseshot.com/files/images/issue21/two_cents_0.jpg)

I'll miss the limericks.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: long live kong on April 21, 2014, 03:48:12 PM
And the Name That Monster thread.  :'(

Edit - just noticed it's been evacuated to safety, nice one Mike Scott!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 21, 2014, 03:51:51 PM
And the Name That Monster thread.  :'(

Do you have a link to that? You don't mean "Name the Monster Movie", do you?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Wich2 on April 21, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
>IMO due to the fact most posts in the last year or two were full of personal problems, feelings, and arguments galore.<

"Frankenstein73"-

"Arguments"? Slipperly slope there... I'm all about keeping them civil (and as I've always said, here and elsewhere, the UMA has always seemed to me one of the best groups for handling that well.) But shouldn't healthy debate be good for a place? Is just, "Here's my new toy!", followed by a chorus of, "Wow - that's neat!" a nutritious diet over time?

"Personal problems, feelings"? Well, see, to me that's part of what makes people people. And sharing such stuff is precisely how I came to make some of my very best internet friends here.

Fester, I understand where you're coming from...

-Craig


Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: long live kong on April 21, 2014, 03:55:35 PM
Do you have a link to that? You don't mean "Name the Monster Movie", do you?

And the Name That Monster thread.  :'(

Edit - just noticed it's been evacuated to safety, nice one Mike Scott!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 21, 2014, 04:34:21 PM

I'm not going to give a knee-jerk reaction to all the changes that are coming.

I can say I agree with the majority of the deletions.  A couple others I need to think about.

I do know that when the UMA changed from its old Yahoo format to this one, I was so upset I almost quit.  I felt lost.  I didn't understand the new format at all.  It took me a little while to learn my way around, set my preferences and get comfortable in our present home. 

I'm glad I didn't act on my first impulse.   I would have cheated myself out of many years enjoyment and education.

I'm sure I will have a better understanding of what the new changes mean after I have thought about them at least as long as the moderators must have before they announced them.

First reactions, like first impressions can often be wrong.

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 21, 2014, 04:40:18 PM
I do know that when the UMA changed from its old Yahoo format to this one, I was so upset I almost quit.

I remember!

I'm sure I will have a better understanding of what the new changes mean after I have thought about them at least as long as the moderators must have before they announced them.

It's basically just going back to the way it was a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Wich2 on April 21, 2014, 05:19:23 PM
"I am a slow walker - but I never walk back..."
- A. Lincoln
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 21, 2014, 06:24:12 PM
Is just, "Here's my new toy!", followed by a chorus of, "Wow - that's neat!" a nutritious diet over time?

Why do you think the members who have seen dozens, hundreds or even thousands of their previous posts vanish into the ether will be eager to post any more of their experiences or pictures? I was asked last week where I got my Ph.D in psychology. I was going to reply that 99% of psychology is common sense, and common sense tells me that once you've seen previous posts of yours deleted, you're attitude to making any more will be "Why bother? They sure didn't care two bits for what I posted yesterday." Do you really think that someone like myself will happily continue to post scans of Vampirella magazines tomorrow when the Sea Devils scans he posted yesterday were deleted?


First reactions, like first impressions can often be wrong.

I'm reading very clearly that entire sections of this board which include thousands of my posts will be deleted on April 27th. Do I have a reading or comprehension problem?

It's basically just going back to the way it was a couple of years ago.

Yes, technically you're correct. Two years ago I hadn't made all these thousands of posts. Do you really think I'll be happy to see the clock set back to when I hadn't made them? Do you not think all the wasted effort might not bother me just a tad?

 ???
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 21, 2014, 06:36:56 PM
"I am a slow walker - but I never walk back..."
- A. Lincoln

Must have taken him a looong time to get home!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Zackuth on April 21, 2014, 06:39:25 PM
I'm with Monsters For Sale, I'm not going to make a knee-jerk reaction to this.  There are things non-monster I'll miss, but I want to see how the new changes are before I voice an opinion.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 21, 2014, 06:41:50 PM

It hasn't been 24 hours yet, it's not too late to re-name this thread:

The 27th Day
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Scary Terry on April 21, 2014, 07:42:42 PM
I'll be sorry to see a lot of the non-monster stuff go. While the main focus here has always been monsters, I've loved seeing what other stuff my fellow monster fans collect, reading about what movies and music they like, etc. It's easy enough to ignore the non-monster threads if you choose -- but I found them a great way to get to know the folks here, and share a lot of cool stuff that we are also into.  Oh well… not my call.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: LundyAfterMidnight on April 21, 2014, 07:50:34 PM
What Terry said.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 21, 2014, 08:01:05 PM
I'll be sorry to see a lot of the non-monster stuff go. While the main focus here has always been monsters, I've loved seeing what other stuff my fellow monster fans collect, reading about what movies and music they like, etc. It's easy enough to ignore the non-monster threads if you choose -- but I found them a great way to get to know the folks here, and share a lot of cool stuff that we are also into.  Oh well… not my call.

That didn't sound scary at all.

(Maybe because I mostly agree.)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 21, 2014, 09:07:43 PM
I'll be sorry to see a lot of the non-monster stuff go. While the main focus here has always been monsters, I've loved seeing what other stuff my fellow monster fans collect, reading about what movies and music they like, etc. It's easy enough to ignore the non-monster threads if you choose -- but I found them a great way to get to know the folks here, and share a lot of cool stuff that we are also into.  Oh well… not my call.


As with most things, there are negatives and positives.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18236 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18236)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 21, 2014, 09:42:58 PM
I'll be sorry to see a lot of the non-monster stuff go. While the main focus here has always been monsters, I've loved seeing what other stuff my fellow monster fans collect, reading about what movies and music they like, etc. It's easy enough to ignore the non-monster threads if you choose -- but I found them a great way to get to know the folks here, and share a lot of cool stuff that we are also into.  Oh well… not my call.
I feel very guilty about this decision because I'm aware that I'm part of the reason for it. My "Serious Pants: Depression" thread got very heated two weeks ago, and it was locked last week. I was informed that those types of threads don't get much attention from the moderators, so there needed to be a pow-wow about them.

When I first joined UMA, I never would have dreamed of starting a thread like that. But, the majority of members were so welcoming, friendly, and expressive, that I felt the "Members Only" section was a good place to express myself to like-minded people. I do not have a big local support group where I live. But the people in that thread embraced my pain. Complete "strangers" reached out to me. Many a post in that thread was so heartfelt and encouraging, I was often in tears. When Wicked Lester's wife began having her medical issues, I was glad he felt he could open up about it to the rest of us, too. Then, when Mark Stamper passed...it was just so good to see everyone rally around each other. Even people that didn't know him all that well felt compelled to say something.

I feel that the most expedient and convenient decision has been made, but perhaps not the one that's in the best interest of keeping that feeling of family and camaraderie amongst the membership.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: bigbud on April 21, 2014, 10:04:20 PM
I'm a big part of the problem too. Too many non-monster posts in comparison to monster posts. It is the truth that I have come to think of many members as family. But in every family there is a time to move on. I am sorry if I have been a disappointment....I will miss you all....but it seems for the best that I say farewell. The UMA has been an everyday stop for me....and I have nothing but very fond memories.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 21, 2014, 10:12:46 PM
I'm a big part of the problem too. Too many non-monster posts in comparison to monster posts. It is the truth that I have come to think of many members as family. But in every family there is a time to move on. I am sorry if I have been a disappointment....I will miss you all....but it seems for the best that I say farewell. The UMA has been an everyday stop for me....and I have nothing but very fond memories.

We need a "DISLIKE" button.  I don't want to see you go.

(If we ever did get a DISLIKE button, it should be anonymous - to avoid hurt feelings and arguments between specific members.)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 21, 2014, 10:17:20 PM
I'm a big part of the problem too. Too many non-monster posts in comparison to monster posts. It is the truth that I have come to think of many members as family. But in every family there is a time to move on. I am sorry if I have been a disappointment....I will miss you all....but it seems for the best that I say farewell. The UMA has been an everyday stop for me....and I have nothing but very fond memories.

You're not part of the problem but if you are depressed and upset, I can  take a couple of your toys into my tent until you feel better.

Btw ~ I think that all your posts (and toys) are MONSTER.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: BigShadow on April 21, 2014, 10:23:29 PM

I think threads like those posted in the Members Only section that dealt with personnal issues was a very healthy thing for our family.  Like so many of you, I don't have a huge support system, but I know if I was down or needed help, I could count on UMA members for support.  Loving monsters is not only about the genre but about the people involved and the fans.  Sometimes heated discussions will occur, but that is all part of being human.  So what some non-monster related subjects were present, we all came for the main reason of our love of the genre.  Everything else was just icing on the cake and made us feel like we had someplace to go, away from the daily grind. 

I know I haven't had much time as I'd like to post due to work and school, but when I did have time I felt at home.  It was like I never left and many people made me feel accpted in and out of the monster related threads.  This site became so much more than what is was, and evolved into something beautiful we could share with each other.

My heart sincerely aches at this administrative decision and for the people it will effect.  I must say that I can no longer be affiliated with a site that has such a cold administration to make these decisions without involving the people that make this site what it is.  I love each and every one of you guys and gals and wish everyone a blessed and healthy life for you and your family.

Goodbye.  :'(
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: marsattacks666 on April 21, 2014, 10:29:26 PM
Well.....I have to say I am not surprised.  The UMA will never be the same. As the Great Criswell predicts: In the year
2014, many members will be leaving this forum. Members:0.....Administrator (s) :1
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 21, 2014, 10:31:13 PM
I'm a big part of the problem too. Too many non-monster posts in comparison to monster posts. It is the truth that I have come to think of many members as family. But in every family there is a time to move on. I am sorry if I have been a disappointment....I will miss you all....but it seems for the best that I say farewell. The UMA has been an everyday stop for me....and I have nothing but very fond memories.
Bigbud, you posted where you felt most comfortable posting. Those threads existed for that very purpose! You don't have to be a raging monsteraholic to belong in the UMA. I still have way more "Star Wars" collectibles than I do monster-related items. (Except when it comes to my VHS & DVD collections.) Your posts were genuine and conversational. We're all misfits of some sort, here. Who are we to judge other misfits?

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 21, 2014, 10:33:24 PM
I think threads like those posted in the Members Only section that dealt with personnal issues was a very healthy thing for our family.  Like so many of you, I don't have a huge support system, but I know if I was down or needed help, I could count on UMA members for support.  Loving monsters is not only about the genre but about the people involved and the fans.  Sometimes heated discussions will occur, but that is all part of being human.  So what some non-monster related subjects were present, we all came for the main reason of our love of the genre.  Everything else was just icing on the cake and made us feel like we had someplace to go, away from the daily grind. 

I know I haven't had much time as I'd like to post due to work and school, but when I did have time I felt at home.  It was like I never left and many people made me feel accpted in and out of the monster related threads.  This site became so much more than what is was, and evolved into something beautiful we could share with each other.

My heart sincerely aches at this administrative decision and for the people it will effect.  I must say that I can no longer be affiliated with a site that has such a cold administration to make these decisions without involving the people that make this site what it is.  I love each and every one of you guys and gals and wish everyone a blessed and healthy life for you and your family.

Goodbye.  :'(

Hug your seven pups for me.  You are a wonderful person .. keep  in touch.  Shalom
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 21, 2014, 10:35:20 PM
Before everyone starts leaving, why not wait until after the changes are made and see what difference they actually make?

You might still find enough that you like to make membership desirable.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 21, 2014, 10:41:46 PM
Great Cthulhu, this is turning into the Rebelscum.com purge of 8/8/2008! Except, instead of a mass-banning, it's turning into a mass-migration. Now I feel even more guilty! If I'd just taken certain things between  to PM, instead of bumping heads in the thread, none of this would have been necessary. For that, I truly apologize.
:(

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 21, 2014, 11:02:00 PM
Before everyone starts leaving, why not wait until after the changes are made and see what difference they actually make?

What a novel idea! Why didn't I think of that? Probably because I didn't think I'd need to! Well, I've been wrong before. Thanks for the post, anyway, MFS, for all the good it will probably do.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Anton Phibes on April 21, 2014, 11:23:36 PM
A bunch of members also left awhile back when another hot button topic was pushed with regards to monster models. Only one I know returned. But thats because he's a super nice guy, and wants to make sure all us monster nuts know about Monarch Models's new offerings.

I am curious to see what comes of this.  This is more than just a website.... its a community for most.  I can see both sides of this. Some of the threads on here(even monster related ones) have devolved into being nearly or outright pornographic in nature. Some go south in a hurry with namecalling, etc. Last time I checked this was supposed to be kept professional, mostly all ages (or PG at the most), and focus on monsters.  With tons of new subsections, etc, etc, etc.....gotta be harder than it was to keep everything civil.

It's probably easier for the mods to actually moderate if all they have to do is flip through a few sections. On the flip side, some will feel they are losing part of what the website has become to them. There's always private messaging for that side of things tho. PMs arent moderated. So---instead of giving up the ghost: perhaps pm'ing for things like "what laundry soap do you prefer", "what's your favorite booze", or more serious musings such as the taboos of life, death, taxes, etc..... :angel:
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 21, 2014, 11:51:21 PM
PMs arent moderated. So---instead of giving up the ghost: perhaps pm'ing for things like "what laundry soap do you prefer", "what's your favorite booze", or more serious musings such as the taboos of life, death, taxes, etc.....

I think I gave up telling people that, because they preferred everybody knew!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 21, 2014, 11:54:40 PM
Well, I have no intention of leaving, but I do apologize to those that feel the need to leave because these non-monster sections are being closed. My collection scope is going to be very limited in the future, so I probably won't be posting a lot in those sections. I have seen many of the old classic monster movies, and just got six new ones to review in the mail for VideoScope. So, those are areas I can continue to contribute to, as well.

Maybe new sections can be opened for "Classic Horror Literature" and "Modern Horror Literature"? That way, the "So, Whatcha Reading?" thread can continue, just restricted to horror (and horror should be a broad enough category to include steampunk, splatterpunk, gothic romance, dark fantasy, dark adventure, etc).

I hope some other threads, like "How Did You First Get Into Monster Collecting?" and "What Was Your First Monster Movie?" will be spared, too.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: marsattacks666 on April 22, 2014, 03:43:49 AM
I absolutely agree with Monsters for Sale. Wait for the changes, instead of leaving.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 22, 2014, 05:32:01 AM
I think the Elvira thread should be moved to an active forums section, as she still has projects, merchandise, and con appearances.

http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=9235.0

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 22, 2014, 06:08:58 AM
I don't believe that this change is about any one person.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 22, 2014, 06:39:19 AM
Some of the music threads contain a lot of info about current bands that are still recording and touring that play horror-themed or horror-inspired music, too.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 22, 2014, 07:18:18 AM
Zirock, you are correct that the conversation began with your thread. However some other things came up, apart from your thread or the forum itself entirely, that led to the decision. It would have happened with or without that thread. So no need to feel any guilt over it.

I don't do PM wars.  YOU are correct, you should NEVER have posted what you did and here YOU are once again blaming others for your problems and actions.  ONCE AGAIN .. LEAVE ME OUT OF YOUR POSTS OR I'LL RESPOND. YOU ARE A DRAMA QUEEN AND NEED TO STOP USING MY NAME.I have NOT alluded to you or made mention of you.  YOU were told in your thread to stop mentioning my name or that I will respond.  NEVER PM me or mention me in your posts, I don't mention you and YOU keep bringing this up, knowing that I'll respond. 

Flower, Hepcat was just telling us that people should simply not read things they don't want to read. That's very true, but both of you were in Zirock's thread reading stuff you didn't want to read and were criticizing. And I realize that he and you are different people and he does not speak for you, but both of you were going back and forth saying the same thing to Zirock.  (edited to not make a lot of sense any longer and end addressing Flower in this post)

As (I believe) Craig said, who are we misfits to judge other misfits?  Which is a big part of it (but not all, by any means). We misfits are socially awkward a lot of the time, and we admins and mods are ill equipped to deal with all of the extra-curricular stuff that goes on. Not only that, we most certainly don't want to. The people who play on the pity of others to get free stuff, making up imaginary circumstances. The people who have real circumstances and come to the UMA to find support for them from others who can't handle their own that well.

Some of us are who we are online. Others of us are who we want to be, or who we want others to think we are. If you are a trusting, honest person coming here to vent your feelings or find camaraderie that's great, but you are sometimes doing that as a sheep among some wolves (and I'm not talking about admins and mods here). There are going to be some really bad consequences if this continues on it's present track. We don't know what those are, and don't want to find out.

And even still, there are other major reasons that we cannot and don't need to go into.

Leave, stay, whatever you decide to do is up to you. If you were coming to the UMA for reasons other than monsters, and don't want to be here if it's just about monsters, you probably are best off leaving. We will miss you and it pains all of us to see that happen, but we do hope that it leads to changes in your life that are positive. If you decide to stay and talk about monsters, great!  Let's have some monster fun together!

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 22, 2014, 08:10:28 AM
(removed, which makes everything make less sense)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: marsattacks666 on April 22, 2014, 08:12:32 AM
I think the Elvira thread should be moved to an active forums section, as she still has projects, merchandise, and con appearances.

[url]http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=9235.0[/url] ([url]http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=9235.0[/url])

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Thanks Count.  ;D
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 22, 2014, 08:18:55 AM
Well.....I have to say I am not surprised.

Maybe you're not surprised, but most of the rest of us are absolutely shocked.

 ???
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 22, 2014, 08:20:05 AM
Toy Ranch,

I am really upset .. I pretty much comment on movies (and try to help with questions), post music videos, post pictures of kittens and start birthday threads.  Where is the evil intent?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 22, 2014, 08:24:57 AM
removed, which makes everything make less sense - Toy Ranch


Sorry, I can't keep up with all of the post edits. This one changed from the time I started to reply to the time it was edited.  So no more editing in this forum.

(removed which makes everything make less sense)

sigh...
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 22, 2014, 08:28:22 AM
We are all from different walks of life but all share one common interest - MONSTERS!

That's an oversimplification. Yes, we're all into monsters, but we've come to that in many different ways. Many/most of the members may have come by their love of monsters through the Universal flicks, but some of us such as Bigbud and myself came by our love of monsters as part and parcel of our love for all baby boomer toys and other stuff.

 cl:)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 22, 2014, 08:31:46 AM
Toy Ranch,

I am really upset .. I pretty much comment on movies (and try to help with questions), post music videos, post pictures of kittens and start birthday threads.  Where is the evil intent?

No evil intent, I wasn't talking about you.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 22, 2014, 08:36:47 AM
We need a "DISLIKE" button.  I don't want to see you(Bigbud) go.

Nor do I. I'll really miss his posts. But where's he going to post now? He ran through his hard core monster toys long ago. He's not going to post the latest treasure he brings up from his basement in the classic monster movies forum.

Before everyone starts leaving, why not wait until after the changes are made and see what difference they actually make?

You don't seem to understand that the change that's been announced will have a permanent effect. Deletion is forever. It's not experimental. There can be no turning back.

 :(
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 22, 2014, 09:01:25 AM
Hepcat, the idea of things posted on the internet being "forever" is because people copy things and repost them. Forums cease to exist. Some forums regularly prune old posts and keep a few in a "Hall of Fame".  Some are active for a while, and then go away. There are no plans for the UMA to go away, we plan to be here for a very long time. Things do change though, and starting a forum is not a life sentence.  If you want to make deleting stuff a crime, you are more than welcome to start your own forum and put that in the TOS.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 22, 2014, 09:57:53 AM
Now I feel even more guilty! If I'd just taken certain things between  to PM, instead of bumping heads in the thread, none of this would have been necessary. For that, I truly apologize.

No need to apologize. This has nothing to do with you or any of your threads specifically. The specific thread to which you're referring has been locked. It's over, and we've moved on. And of course there's no reason to knock down a whole huge wing of house just because there's a ding on the wall in that part of the house.

I was bewildered by the announcement on the part of the administrators yesterday, but after a day's consideration I believe I've sorted out some of their thinking. This board had its origins as a small exclusive club of dedicated monster enthusiasts over on Yahoo. When the admins moved from Yahoo over to this present board late in 2007, they worked hard to make this new site a success. They posted very energetically for a couple of years, and burned themselves out by and large. (Just check the posting histories of any of the mods if you need confirmation of what I'm saying. Mike Scott is the only mod who continues to post actively.) After all, they were first and foremost monster enthusiasts, not compulsive posters.

But you know they succeeded. The new UMA board attracted some other very active posters, e.g. Dr. Teufel Geist, Scatter, Opera Ghost, Sean, Marsattacks, Unknown Primate, etc. In fact, the board prospered beyond their wildest expectations!

Unfortunately, their own interest had dwindled. Like I say, the fellows who had launched the board weren't really big posters by nature and they had burned themselves out. But they were victims of their own success. They were now saddled with a much bigger board to manage than they had initially envisaged, and a much costlier board financially as well! And they're unwilling to invest the time and money in this big active board.

So what to do? Hey, by truncating the board by more than half they can bring it right back down to a manageable size. And as dedicated monster enthusiasts they're really only interested in the hardcore monster sections of this board. Like I say, they don't want the financial expense or the trouble of dealing with a bigger, more active, board.

Their other motivation here may be the simple very human desire to reestablish the control they once had over the UMA. Any forum that succeeds grows beyond its founders. It gets its character from the posters, the more active the poster, the more the character of the board is determined by that poster's interests/personality etc. Therefore this board has come to reflect the personality of today's most active posters. I don't have to name them. If you're posting here, you know who they are. The casual observer glancing at this board will come away noticing five to ten good posters, but with the exception of Mike Scott they won't be the admins. But the admins want a board again that the casual observer will associate with them, and not Scatter, Hepcat, Count Zirock, Flower, Bigbud, Jimm, Horrorhunter, etc.

So how do the admins get their own little board back? Well cutting everyone else back to size is the easiest way.

That then is the explanation in a nutshell. It's always about cost and control.

So what's the prognosis for the future of this board? Well without a coterie of active posters, any board slowly withers and dies. Speaking for myself, I won't be refocusing my posting to classic horror movies and modern monster toys. I know very little about the first and I have no interest in the second. I'm all about vintage baby boomer toys and other memorabilia, and so my posting is going to be very sharply curtailed even if my enthusiasm wasn't. Unless the mods really step up to replace the posting of people such as myself, Flower, Bigbud, Jimm and others who have seen their favourite forums vanish (together with all their posts!), this forum will slowly wither and die. Good active posters are very hard to replace these days.

 :-\
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 22, 2014, 10:58:32 AM
dont take me the wrong way here hep. I Love toys in general, I have a huge gi joe and comic collection and many other non monster toys, these threads weren't the issue for me.

It was all the "personal problems threads" that was ruining everything. This forum was a great place to meet and talk to very knowledgeable people in the monster collecting world.   I have noticed that those people almost completely stopped posting on this board, why? IMO due to the fact most posts in the last year or two were full of personal problems, feelings, and arguments galore. I have seen several veteran members of this board  verbally attacked for no apparent reason.  There are a few members here as of late that seem to be looking for a fight or think its fun to spread discontent, and these off topic threads are where it usually starts. the only chance to set things straight is to get rid of everything non monster, take away the fuel and hopefully the fire dies out. These people will either straighten up, or leave.

Its unfortunate that we will lose many great threads and discussions on other non monster toys. But worth it to me if we can get back to the grass roots and focus on our beloved monsters again.

While I sympathize or agree with most of what you say, it's absolutely incorrect to say that the non-monster threads have been the source of most of the ill tempered argument on this board in the last few years. Just look at the evidence. The "Funko bringing back Remco mini-monsters" thread which was locked earlier this year ran to 38 pages of rancor. The most infamous blow up last year complete with frothing obscenities was the Teachbug one which was precipitated by a post about a monster magazine.

 cl:)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 22, 2014, 11:04:48 AM
No need to apologize. This has nothing to do with you or any of your threads specifically. The specific thread to which you're referring has been locked. It's over, and we've moved on. And of course there's no reason to knock down a whole huge wing of house just because there's a ding on the wall in that part of the house.

I was bewildered by the announcement on the part of the administrators yesterday, but after a day's consideration I believe I've sorted out some of their thinking. This board had its origins as a small exclusive club of dedicated monster enthusiasts over on Yahoo. When the admins moved from Yahoo over to this present board late in 2007, they worked hard to make this new site a success. They posted very energetically for a couple of years, and burned themselves out by and large. (Just check the posting histories of any of the mods if you need confirmation of what I'm saying. Mike Scott is the only mod who continues to post actively.) After all, they were first and foremost monster enthusiasts, not compulsive posters.

But you know they succeeded. The new UMA board attracted some other very active posters, e.g. Dr. Teufel Geist, Scatter, Opera Ghost, Sean, Marsattacks, Unknown Primate, etc. In fact, the board prospered beyond their wildest expectations!

Unfortunately, their own interest had dwindled. Like I say, the fellows who had launched the board weren't really big posters by nature and they had burned themselves out. But they were victims of their own success. They were now saddled with a much bigger board to manage than they had initially envisaged, and a much costlier board financially as well! And they're unwilling to invest the time and money in this big active board.

So what to do? Hey, by truncating the board by more than half they can bring it right back down to a manageable size. And as dedicated monster enthusiasts they're really only interested in the hardcore monster sections of this board. Like I say, they don't want the financial expense or the trouble of dealing with a bigger, more active, board.

Their other motivation here may be the simple very human desire to reestablish the control they once had over the UMA. Any forum that succeeds grows beyond its founders. It gets its character from the posters, the more active the poster, the more the character of the board is determined by that poster's interests/personality etc. Therefore this board has come to reflect the personality of today's most active posters. I don't have to name them. If you're posting here, you know who they are. The casual observer glancing at this board will come away noticing five to ten good posters, but with the exception of Mike Scott they won't be the admins. But the admins want a board again that the casual observer will associate with them, and not Scatter, Hepcat, Count Zirock, Flower, Bigbud, Jimm, Horrorhunter, etc.

So how do the admins get their own little board back? Well cutting everyone else back to size is the easiest way.

That then is the explanation in a nutshell. It's always about cost and control.

So what's the prognosis for the future of this board? Well without a coterie of active posters, any board slowly withers and dies. Speaking for myself, I won't be refocusing my posting to classic horror movies and modern monster toys. I know very little about the first and I have no interest in the second. I'm all about vintage baby boomer toys and other memorabilia, and so my posting is going to be very sharply curtailed even if my enthusiasm wasn't. Unless the mods really step up to replace the posting of people such as myself, Flower, Bigbud, Jimm and others who have seen their favourite forums vanish (together with all their posts!), this forum will slowly wither and die. Good active posters are very hard to replace these days.

 :-\

Well, that's interesting and I suppose there is a little bit of truth in that, along with a lot of malarkey.  I'll spare everyone my amateur "common sense" psychoanalysis of you and your motives and raison d'etre.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Wich2 on April 22, 2014, 11:15:50 AM
Bobby, with great respect:

>As (I believe) Craig said, who are we misfits to judge other misfits?<

I don't recall saying exactly that; but I may have said something to that effect - "those who are obsessed with Toys shouldn't look down on those who are obsessed with Movies," or somesuch.

>Which is a big part of it (but not all, by any means).<

Well, if that is the reasoning here, I take great issue with it. Because...

>We misfits are socially awkward a lot of the time,<

...shouldn't the goal be to fight that, not to surrender to it? To strive over the course of a life not to be just a "misfit"?

>and we admins and mods are ill equipped to deal with all of the extra-curricular stuff that goes on. Not only that, we most certainly don't want to.<

I've never seen anything here anywhere near outside the bounds of garden-variety Human Nature. And isn't that precisely the thing Human Beings are supposed to grow to deal with?

>The people who play on the pity of others to get free stuff, making up imaginary circumstances.<

Now, that IS gross. But it's rare, it happens everywhere in fandom, and my memory is that it was always dealt with very well here at the UMA.

>The people who have real circumstances and come to the UMA to find support for them from others who can't handle their own that well.<

If I read you right here, that is a deeply sad statement - as well as a bit of a generalization and an insult. Because how in heck does one learn how to handle such circumstances, if not by dealing with them, rather than by putting one's head in the sand? (And there are several heartfelt posts in this thread where folks say that they most definitely were helped by others here.)

Things are fine; but People trump Things - always. And if we are saying that the "new" UMA wants to focus on the smaller to the exclusion of the greater, I have to agree with what some have said:

This place will whither and die. You can count on it.

Because a Catalog, no matter how beautifully illustrated, is not a living, ongoing thing. A Community, is.

Sincerely,
-Craig

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 22, 2014, 11:32:11 AM
Craig, it was probably somebody else.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 22, 2014, 12:05:12 PM

All Internet sites and forums change, grow, evolve, mature and will eventually die or morph into something unrecognizable to those who were there at their inception.  Even the computers, programs and the Internet have and will continue to undergo updates, improvements and phase-outs of favorite features.  Nothing is permanent.

The Universal Army is a living thing.  All living things change.

It is unwise to invest one's sense of self too heavily in such a tenuous thing as an Internet site that is created, owned and operated by someone else.  Internet posts are, like e-mails, not etched in stone.  Their eventual/inevitable deletion is not like burning the library at Alexandria.

The Universal Monster Army is free to all.  Donations are welcomed, but not required.  Participation is voluntary.

The reins of management seem to have been held pretty loosely in the past.  The original direction of the UMA has strayed a bit too much for the liking of the creators/operators and many of the members.  It is felt by them that some adjustments need to be made.  It is their prerogative.

And, whoever you are, it's NOT about you.

Using the UMA in conjunction with a more broadly focused social forum might be a solution for members who find the changes too restrictive.  Post your grandkids' and pets' pictures there, and your monster topics here.

Or, (and I do NOT mean this in any snarky way), start a new forum of your own that better addresses what you want from a group.   Invite dual membership from all UMA members who wish to participate.

It's not the end of the world.  If it seems like it, maybe you need to get out more.  [Insert "Happy Face" here.]
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 22, 2014, 12:26:57 PM
Adam,

I agree with some of what you say and understand where you are coming from with your post. 

I, for one, don't use or want to use social networks and am more comfortable with discussion forums  I prefer to post on one forum.

It's not my forum, but past experience tells me that not all forum admins like people poaching from their membership.

I've been to 'Making Change Work for Me' workshops and I totally agree that it's good to be flexible.

I believe that people posting in this thread are expressing their opinions, whether it be shock, annoyance, grief or happiness .. no right or wrong, just opinions being freely expressed to 'friends' in the same boat.

At the end of any day, if something like a forum making changes is the worst thing that is happening in my life, it would be a good day.  I really think that it's healthy for everyone to express what they are feeling.   Feelings do change, what we are reading are gut reactions .. some will be proven correct and some will be proven to be incorrect.

P.S.  Do you still own the very 'cool' tee shirt that you are wearing in your avatar?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 22, 2014, 12:39:24 PM
It is unwise to invest one's sense of self too heavily in such a tenuous thing as an Internet site that is created, owned and operated by someone else.

Amen Brother! This is a site where like-minded people gather to talk about one of the things they have in common. If you want a life, turn off your computer and go out and look for one. There are no reasons why you can't, only excuses. The UMA can't be all things to all people and it shouldn't try to be. That doesn't mean people can't be "monster buddies" and have a good time while they're here, but it should be that place where you stop to have a cold drink on your daily journey, not the whole journey.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 22, 2014, 12:42:46 PM


It's not my forum, but past experience tells me that not all forum admins like people poaching from their membership.




The UMA is not one of those. We do not have a problem with other forums, links to other forums, or if members who enjoyed the forums here that are to be removed want to get together somewhere else to continue with things, the off-topic forums as long as they are open, as well as our PM feature is available to members for that purpose.

This can be complicated to run if you don't have much computer skill, but
http://www.yuku.com/ (http://www.yuku.com/)
http://proboards.com/ (http://proboards.com/)

and others make it fairly easy to set something up.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 22, 2014, 12:55:29 PM
Adam,

1.  I, for one, don't use or want to use social networks and am more comfortable with discussion forums  I prefer to post on one forum.

2.  It's not my forum, but past experience tells me that not all forum admins like people poaching from their membership.

3.  I believe that people posting in this thread are expressing their opinions, whether it be shock, annoyance, grief or happiness .. no right or wrong, just opinions being freely expressed to 'friends' in the same boat.

4.  At the end of any day, if something like a forum making changes is the worst thing that is happening in my life, it would be a good day.  I really think that it's healthy for everyone to express what they are feeling.   Feelings do change, what we are reading are gut reactions .. some will be proven correct and some will be proven to be incorrect.

5.  P.S.  Do you still own the very 'cool' tee shirt that you are wearing in your avatar?

1.  I don't use any forum but this one.  I do like other things besides monsters - I'm just not very "social", never was.

2.  I don't think a ship model forum would care about their members also belonging to a hamster-fanciers forum.  No conflict there.

3.  I agree.  I get the same way about some changes.  (I get pretty irrational about some until I cool off and let my reason take control back from my emotions.)  I believe some other here may be a little like me.

4.  By all means, vent.  Have a good blow.  All disagree and argue.  Just remember we really are a family here.  We will all get through this, member and Administrators alike.  I'm sure minor tweaks will continue for a while into the future.   (It is impossible to build just one damn.)

5.  Wish I did.  If I had them, I would frame it and my Davy Crockett cap.  They were both as iconic of the time.

Personal Digression:
I stayed too long at the Saturday Matinee one week.  My mother sent my father down to the theater to fetch me.  He asked her what I was wearing.  She told him a striped shirt (the "T" was understood, it was the only kind of shirt I wore).  He returned empty-handed and foul-tempered.  "Every damn kid in there was wearing a striped shirt!"  She told him to go back and look in the middle seat of the first row.   That did the trick.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 22, 2014, 01:04:03 PM
Thank you for making the 'links' and membership issue or non-issue clear.  I've been on forums where it was strictly forbidden to post links to other forums of any kind and people freaked if you were PMing other members about a new forum that you found.

This would or might be a concern to someone who was considering opening another forum or moving to another forum.

I think that the admins here are very good about putting their cards on the table and addressing issues with the changes.

While I have none at the moment, it's possible that other concerns/questions will pop up.

Two more cents ... While I have no idea if I'm leaving, staying, changing my posting habits .. I find it best just to just fade away if I don't like the changes, saying nothing on the open forum and then it would be easy if I wished to return .. We all have to make our own way.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 22, 2014, 01:08:48 PM
I'll spare everyone my amateur "common sense" psychoanalysis of you and your motives and raison d'etre.

Oh I have my flaws.

 ;D

Well, that's interesting and I suppose there is a little bit of truth in that, along with a lot of malarkey.

One of those flaws would be verbosity. The longer the post, the more the malarkey. The law of averages always wins out in the end.

 ;)

If it ain't broke though, don't fix it. That's why the pending change so bewilders me.

 :-\
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 22, 2014, 01:10:09 PM
Adam,

Thanks for the matinee story ..  ;D

When I had a 'fake' coon tail on my bike, someone started spreading rumors that they carried or had fleas.  How could something not alive and  that never was alive be host to fleas is beyond me but all the New York dads made their kids toss out the coon tails from their bikes.  I'm sure that the rumor included caps too

PS .. People are strange and you might never know of a forum's quirks until you come across one or break one.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 22, 2014, 01:23:46 PM
Two more cents ... While I have no idea if I'm leaving, staying, changing my posting habits .. I find it best just to just fade away...

Spoken like a true "old soldier" of the Universal Monster Army.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 22, 2014, 01:29:27 PM
I'll spare everyone my amateur "common sense" psychoanalysis of you and your motives and raison d'etre.

And of course you already made your thoughts on that subject very clear to me in an email some three years ago. Nothing of course that I hadn't already heard from others since late in high school. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose....

 :-\
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Dr.Cyclops on April 22, 2014, 04:26:25 PM
I understand the Admins/hardcore monster fans desire to keep it strictly "Monsters", hence the name of the forum.I also have noticed how few monster posts are made,so I'm assuming that this is the primary cause of the Admin's decision.What I don't understand is the reason for deletions of threads/posts.I think it would be very sad to have any of Unknown Primate's posts deleted for example.  :'( I loved to come here and see all the non-monster collections/toys etc from my youth,and I would miss checking them out.I think hepcat made a great point:why not lock the offending threads for the time being to see how things go as opposed to deleting everything.There are so many great informational threads/posts in here that it would truly be a crime if we deleted them forever (Future members might have learned a thing or two in say 20 years)
I really feel like we're all tottering on a  double edged sword here.Though you might get more hardcore monsterfans in the long run (though our generation is getting long in the tooth) it might also cause some members to leave.(though I hope not)

As a newish member, I can only say from my own perspective:The "monsters" are what initially brought me to the UMA,but the neat threads and posts by the likes of hepcat/zombiehorror/redking/flower and countless others are what kept me coming back.

X Dr.Cyclops


Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: poseablemonster on April 22, 2014, 04:43:15 PM


If it ain't broke though, don't fix it. That's why the pending change so bewilders me.

 :-\

I think this is exactly where we differ, and one of the biggest reasons why we have come to the decision to make these changes.  As Bobby has stated, we have veered away from the real reason for this forum, and this is an attempt to get back to our roots. 

You are correct in the assessment that most of the mods/admin do not post very often.  I can only speak for myself, but I rarely post because I'm not much interested in what is being posted about at this point.  Most of it has little to do with the monster toys and films that attracted me to this group in the first place. 

You are wrong in your assessment that this is about our egos and the need to have this board reflect "us" rather than the more frequent posting members.  I couldn't care less about that.  This group should reflect a love for monster movies, monster toys and such; and above all it should move beyond the petty squabbling that we have had to monitor on a daily basis.  By removing those off-topic forums, we hope to re-establish the focus of the group. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: RedKing on April 22, 2014, 04:56:51 PM
I just happened to see this this mornign befroe I had to head out to work. I'm not really sure how I feel about it-as a longtime member I definitely thinkl of the UMA as an online family and really care about everyone here, so I do enjoythe off topic threads. However I can understand where the mods are coming from. Regardless, I will not be leaving . Before I came to nthe UMA in 2008 or 09, I closed outr another forum-Xenorama-that I was a hugely active member of for years. Xeno was the only other board like UMA I have ever been on, where it was always cordial and friendly, no flaming, etc. For whatever reason the Xeno board just kind of died a slow death and eventually the inactivity there sent me looking for a new home, and I was overjoyed at finding the UMA and will stay to the end.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 22, 2014, 05:22:03 PM
I understand the Admins/hardcore monster fans desire to keep it strictly "Monsters", hence the name of the forum. I also have noticed how few monster posts are made,so I'm assuming that this is the primary cause of the Admin's decision. What I don't understand is the reason for deletions of threads/posts. I think it would be very sad to have any of Unknown Primate's posts deleted for example.  :'( I loved to come here and see all the non-monster collections/toys etc from my youth, and I would miss checking them out. I think hepcat made a great point: why not lock the offending threads for the time being to see how things go as opposed to deleting everything. There are so many great informational threads/posts in here that it would truly be a crime if we deleted them forever (Future members might have learned a thing or two in say 20 years)
I really feel like we're all tottering on a  double edged sword here. Though you might get more hardcore monster fans in the long run (though our generation is getting long in the tooth) it might also cause some members to leave. (though I hope not)

As a newish member, I can only say from my own perspective: The "monsters" are what initially brought me to the UMA, but the neat threads and posts by the likes of hepcat/zombiehorror/redking/flower and countless others are what kept me coming back.X Dr.Cyclops
I, too, came for the monsters, but stayed for the community. It was that feeling of closeness that appealed to me most. And, I hope posts by other fallen members, such as Uncula and Meek, can be preserved. Unknown Primate's last post was in a music thread, after all.

The decision has been made, it's happening, and we'll just have to see where it takes us. A couple of members who have already left seemed like they were planning to leave, anyway. (One told me as much in a PM.) I appreciate the chance to voice our opinions on it, even though they won't influence the decision. But, at plenty of other boards, changes are made with no announcements of any kind, and if you don't like it, p*ss off.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 22, 2014, 05:35:34 PM
Several have posted about wanting to preserve the posts of our fallen comrades. That's exactly why we are saving General Discussion as read-only, and why we have asked for links to threads that should be preserved. I wasn't aware that UP's last post was in Music, and I don't know where it is, but post a link to the thread and let us know and we'll definitely save it!

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Street Worm on April 22, 2014, 05:42:16 PM
So are Finks, Weird-Ohs &  Flypoggers monsters?  :o
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 22, 2014, 06:06:37 PM
They were all classified as non-monsters by the powers that be and moved from the Vintage Monster Toys to the Vintage Non-Monster Toys when the latter forum was created just over two years ago. The "What comics do you collect?" thread was also moved from Memorable Memorabilia to the Vintage Non-Monster Toys forum at the time.

 :-\

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: BARON TIMOTHEUS BGG on April 22, 2014, 06:37:07 PM
([url]http://www.reverseshot.com/files/images/issue21/two_cents_0.jpg[/url])

I'll miss the limericks.


MY DEAR UMA FANG-MILY,
LIMERICKS ARE BEING KILLED?! True, or False?
                        EXANIMO EVERNOW,
BARON TIMOTHEUS & BARONESS BETH & FRIENDS, GOO-OO-ODD, B.G.G.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: RAGMAN on April 22, 2014, 06:40:22 PM
From a newbie's perspective who came here strictly for the MONSTERS, I'm excited for the changes. My first impression of this place was just how amazing the layout/look was and the excitement I felt about the opportunity to learn from a group of older "Monster Kids" who experienced things first hand, back in the day. The sections getting the axe have always struck me as being out of place on a board waving the banner of "Universal Monster Army". The fact that the older threads are in fact being saved, seems like a great compromise. For those needing something more than Monster talk and education, there's still the private messaging system and there's always sites like Facebook. I've made several good friends over the years on boards just like this one, and once that connection was made we swapped phone numbers and began speaking off of the boards in the "real" world. I'm a private person and have never felt the need or desire to share personal things in the open, on a public board. Doesn't mean though that I can't sympathize with those that do or that I look down on them for doing it. To each their own. The talk of leaving should be looked at in a positive light because maybe those parties have outgrown this place and the prospect of a fresh start elsewhere, on stomping grounds catering to their new needs, is maybe just what the doctor ordered.

No one came here for the General Discussion area and if your heart now lies in areas like that, you should move on. You'll be happier for it and maybe your monster kid heart will be renewed and you'll want to stop in from time to time and share in again what brought you here in the first place.

My two cents.
~Blue
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 22, 2014, 06:51:21 PM


You are correct in the assessment that most of the mods/admin do not post very often.  I can only speak for myself, but I rarely post because I'm not much interested in what is being posted about at this point.  Most of it has little to do with the monster toys and films that attracted me to this group in the first place. 


If you post it (start a thread) they will come.  I've found that it's the people who complain about a forum not having threads that interest them or that a forum is slow are not the ones who are starting threads.  If you don't see a topic that interests you, start threads that do interest you.  It's as simple as that, don't wait for the next guy to start interesting threads, be proactive. Don't blame others for your lack of interest.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Wich2 on April 22, 2014, 06:55:27 PM
>No one came here for the General Discussion area and if your heart now lies in areas like that, you should move on.<

"Blue," with respect:

- The first part of that statement, you have no way of knowing (though the gist of this thread seems to be that once one was here, that area became a treasure to many.)

- The second part of that statement is pretty non-democratic; one person doesn't make the decision for when another should move on.

Best,
-Craig
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 22, 2014, 07:01:13 PM
MY DEAR UMA FANG-MILY,
LIMERICKS ARE BEING KILLED?! True, or False?
                        EXANIMO EVERNOW,
BARON TIMOTHEUS & BARONESS BETH & FRIENDS, GOO-OO-ODD, B.G.G.

Sorry for not posting there in the last few months but limericks have to sort of pop into my head and I can't force the creative juices. I believe it is a capital offense to kill a limerick .. or at least it should be one.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 22, 2014, 07:31:51 PM
As a longtime member -- one who primarily posts in Monster-specific threads -- I will say this:

I have seen a lot of growth over the years here at the UMA.  I have seen a lot of changes and would-be changes, many peaceful, some tumultuous.  With or without "off-topic" posts, this place has endured.  I think it will endure through this (massive) change as well.  And who knows?  It might just grow again.  The one thing about all of these changes, however, is the tact with which they have been handled.  There is a transparency and understanding inherent in all of the moderators' decisions that keeps us moving forward. 

With a lack of moderator power, this latest change is the only option.  The moderators are hardcore Monster fans with lives outside of the UMA.  As a regular member who also fits that bill, I totally empathize with wanting to focus exclusively on the heart of the forum. 

I also empathize with the folks who have spent hours pouring their hearts into the off-topic forums.  Had the off-topic forums come with built-in expiration dates (as many discussion forums have), there would probably be less heartache.  The temporary nature would have been self-evident.  Perhaps that's something to keep in mind with future changes.  Alas, that is neither here nor there. 

What we face now is the present situation, one that will soon be a memory of the distant past. 

Cheers!

AOF
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 22, 2014, 07:33:17 PM
MY DEAR UMA FANG-MILY,
LIMERICKS ARE BEING KILLED?! True, or False?
                        EXANIMO EVERNOW,
BARON TIMOTHEUS & BARONESS BETH & FRIENDS, GOO-OO-ODD, B.G.G.
The limericks need to stay, especially since they are usually monster-themed. They could go into a Monster Lit section where Classic Horror Books, Modern Horror Books, and Horror Comics would all dwell.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Wicked Lester on April 22, 2014, 07:44:04 PM
THE UMA a couple months from now. Well close. BAD decision Mods. >:(

Cricket Sound (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg#)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Zackuth on April 22, 2014, 07:54:06 PM
Why's a grasshopper chirping like cricket?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 22, 2014, 07:54:34 PM
They were all classified as non-monsters by the powers that be and moved from the Vintage Monster Toys to the Vintage Non-Monster Toys when the latter forum was created just over two years ago. The "What comics do you collect?" thread was also moved from Memorable Memorabilia to the Vintage Non-Monster Toys forum at the time.

 :-\



You need to stop.  You don't know the answer to that question, and although you technically did not answer it but rather stated what happened in the past, your post is completely unnecessary and undermines the situation.  You have stated your opinions pretty clearly. Thanks for your input. Now step off.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 22, 2014, 07:55:10 PM
So are Finks, Weird-Ohs &  Flypoggers monsters?  :o

Yes!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 22, 2014, 07:56:40 PM
The limericks need to stay, especially since they are usually monster-themed. They could go into a Monster Lit section where Classic Horror Books, Modern Horror Books, and Horror Comics would all dwell.


That makes some sense. We'll talk about it.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Wicked Lester on April 22, 2014, 08:02:06 PM
Why's a grasshopper chirping like cricket?

Think about it. ::)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 22, 2014, 08:04:50 PM
Think about it. ::)

D- in Biology 101?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Anton Phibes on April 22, 2014, 08:22:37 PM
Now that I know some monstery things like Star Wars, trek, Lost in Space, etc. arent taboo topics....the only thread I will be truly sad to see evaporate is the Beast Corps: Pets of The UMA thread. Because Kitties are cool.  8)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Wicked Lester on April 22, 2014, 08:43:46 PM
D- in Biology 101?

UUUMM not even close.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: horrorhunter on April 22, 2014, 08:45:37 PM
So are Finks, Weird-Ohs &  Flypoggers monsters?  :o
I'm not a mod, but they sure are to me. Weird-Ohs and Nutty Mads rank pretty high on the Monsterkid scale.  8)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 22, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
THE UMA a couple months from now. Well close. BAD decision Mods. >:(

Cricket Sound ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg#[/url])


With the onset of Hong Kong's plastic fruit exportation, I think we can ward off the "cricket-grasshopper-locusts" a bit longer than that. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 22, 2014, 08:53:13 PM
Now that I know some monstery things like Star Wars, trek, Lost in Space, etc. aren't taboo topics....the only thread I will be truly sad to see evaporate is the Beast Corps: Pets of The UMA thread. Because Kitties are cool.  8)

Bella agrees!
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/23/du9ene8u.jpg)

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: poseablemonster on April 22, 2014, 08:54:29 PM
If you post it (start a thread) they will come.  I've found that it's the people who complain about a forum not having threads that interest them or that a forum is slow are not the ones who are starting threads.  If you don't see a topic that interests you, start threads that do interest you.  It's as simple as that, don't wait for the next guy to start interesting threads, be proactive. Don't blame others for your lack of interest.
I'm not blaming others for anything, I am merely stating that I have had very little to say or contribute to most of the off-topic discussion.  But thanks for the pep talk.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: horrorhunter on April 22, 2014, 09:03:15 PM
Threads will still wander off topic, and I'm sure the mods are aware of that. It's not like they're going to be some kind of UMA Gestapo. They just want the forum to focus on monster related topics. We can still BS and blabber on in good fun. I'm not leaving. I like it here.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 22, 2014, 09:08:08 PM
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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: RAGMAN on April 22, 2014, 09:15:05 PM
>No one came here for the General Discussion area and if your heart now lies in areas like that, you should move on.<

"Blue," with respect:

- The first part of that statement, you have no way of knowing (though the gist of this thread seems to be that once one was here, that area became a treasure to many.)

- The second part of that statement is pretty non-democratic; one person doesn't make the decision for when another should move on.

Best,
-Craig

No worries, Craig. I in no shape, form, or fashion am deciding anything for anyone or trying to come off that way. Again, to each their own. Coming from a member who doesn't have allies or foes here, like many seem to do, this thread seems to house a few guys who admittedly don't have much interest any longer in contributing to MONSTER related threads. They're bored or burnt out or both. Common sense, to me at least, dictates to take a break and find something more suitable to their current needs. Saying the doors will close and people won't post anymore because a few sections are getting the boot seems a little over the top to me.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 22, 2014, 09:24:03 PM
Coming from a member who doesn't have allies or foes here, like many seem to do....

Not so. It's only this thread that makes it seem that way.

 :-\
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 22, 2014, 10:12:54 PM

With a lack of moderator power, this latest change is the only option.  The moderators are hardcore Monster fans with lives outside of the UMA.  As a regular member who also fits that bill, I totally empathize with wanting to focus exclusively on the heart of the forum. 


I don't see how the moderators lack power and would think that we all have lives outside this forum.  If it's a time issue for the mods, I would surmise that the answer would be to co-op another moderator or two.  Then again, I don't believe that we've been fully told about the reasons, or I've missed something and apologize.

As for changing the focus of this forum, it's sort of like 'you can lead a horse to water ... '  as forums tend to take on lives of their own. The future is unknown.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Scatter on April 22, 2014, 10:16:31 PM
Wow........I believe that this will be the only forum which I've ever encountered that didn't have a "General Discussion" section, or that felt that such a concession to well-rounded humanity detracted from the forum in toto.

To me, the greatest value of anything I collect resides not in the plastic, captured images, or monetary worth........but in the ability of that object to draw people into my life. Otherwise that's all it is....... A piece of plastic. A captured image. A potential dollar sign.

It takes 10 minutes of Googling to reveal everything known about whatever blow-molded treasure may excite us. What makes that beautiful bit of blow-molded goodness REALLY valuable lies in how it affects each individual. The memories it evokes. The story of how it became your passion. That's the only reason any of this stuff even matters. That's what forms those ties of friendship and that familial bond we've come to enjoy at the UMA. I hope we don't find in short order that we've lost touch with what is most valuable about being a MonsterKid......and that ain't the plastic.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 22, 2014, 10:30:44 PM
They just want the forum to focus on monster related topics. We can still BS and blabber on in good fun.

The UMA has always been like that.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 22, 2014, 10:36:30 PM
I believe that this will be the only forum which I've ever encountered that didn't have a "General Discussion" section

Which is great for those occasional things that just don't fit in anywhere else, but when half the posts seem to end up there . . .?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 22, 2014, 10:38:41 PM
I don't see how the moderators lack power and would think that we all have lives outside this forum.  If it's a time issue for the mods, I would surmise that the answer would be to co-op another moderator or two.  Then again, I don't believe that we've been fully told about the reasons, or I've missed something and apologize.

From my point of view, the time issue is exactly the problem. That being said, I have no way of knowing if that is the case in this situation and do not claim to know anything.  ("I know nothing!" 

I'm sure that The Powers That Be have tossed around the idea of an additional moderator.  They have probably been unable to come up with a perfect fit, however.  (Good moderators are hard to come by and few people actually have the temperament necessary for the role.) Or else they have done a cost-benefits analysis and determined that adding a new moderator is not in-line with the future direction of the forum, and eliminating the "off-topic" categories would be the more beneficial option. 

I really don't think this decision was taken lightly nor do I feel this was easy for anyone.  I applaud the moderators for allowing this open discussion and for giving everyone advance notice.  That is what good moderators do. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Dr. Madd on April 23, 2014, 12:45:21 AM
is "Dinner with Dr. Madd" Monster-like?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 23, 2014, 01:18:47 AM
What is dinner w dr madd? Got a link?

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 23, 2014, 01:46:25 AM
What is dinner w dr madd? Got a link?

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http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=11237.0

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 23, 2014, 01:50:13 AM
Another candidate for rescuing: UMA Frankenstein & Bigfoot. (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=23702.0)

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 23, 2014, 06:10:18 AM
From my point of view, the time issue is exactly the problem. That being said, I have no way of knowing if that is the case in this situation and do not claim to know anything. ("I know nothing!" 

I'm sure that The Powers That Be have tossed around the idea of an additional moderator.  They have probably been unable to come up with a perfect fit, however.  (Good moderators are hard to come by and few people actually have the temperament necessary for the role.) Or else they have done a cost-benefits analysis and determined that adding a new moderator is not in-line with the future direction of the forum, and eliminating the "off-topic" categories would be the more beneficial option. 

I really don't think this decision was taken lightly nor do I feel this was easy for anyone.  I applaud the moderators for allowing this open discussion and for giving everyone advance notice.  That is what good moderators do.


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Now that you've brought it up, having a discussion without the facts is sort (fill in your own blanks).

Leopards don't change their spots and all else, if a few posters are/were the problem (I don't know what the problem really is and I'm not bringing up that question), won't it be more effective to just PM them to stop starting certain types of threads?

Again, having any debate without facts to back it up ...(fill in your own blanks again) .. we can guess and surmise but in the end the fat man .. err .. lady .. or crickets will chirp or perhaps a lion will roar but only time will tell.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 23, 2014, 07:57:24 AM
We got some take out Chinese last night. My fortune:

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5482/13959168016_c979b5b6d4.jpg)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: jimm on April 23, 2014, 08:01:07 AM
bummer...I loved discussing my non monster goodies as much as my monster goodies. I had one spot to go to see Monsters, Buds guns, Heps comics, and the rest of the stuff I love. Phhoey...
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 23, 2014, 08:06:17 AM
is "Dinner with Dr. Madd" Monster-like?

No. But I can see how this would be a good candidate to save in the read-only Gen Disc forum. Also, here is a suggestion for you. You obviously have a gift for writing and a passion for food. instead of a thread on the UMA, start a blog about your gastronomical adventures.  Put all of your posts from the UMA in it, and continue from there. At the UMA, post a link to it in your post signature so that people who follow it can find your blog, and expand your audience beyond the UMA.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 23, 2014, 08:07:50 AM
With a lack of moderator power....

That particular statement of yours makes no sense at all. The moderators here have the same powers as they do in every other forum and they've been using those powers in the same way. They set the ground rules of the forum, they lock threads when discussions/arguments get out of hand and they issue warnings to members who are ignoring the rules and ban those who are being just plain disruptive. It's been the same on UMA as it is on every other forum from the start.

 ???
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 23, 2014, 08:11:29 AM
Another candidate for rescuing: UMA Frankenstein & Bigfoot. ([url]http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=23702.0[/url])

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Moving anything out of Members Only is complicated, because those posts were specifically slated not to be publicly searchable. That said, the content of that particular thread is probably OK to move, provided the thread author is agreeable to it.  I'll ask Jeff.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: jimm on April 23, 2014, 08:19:25 AM
If I could undo one upcoming change it would be the deletion of non monster toys....love that spot...
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: CreepyJeff on April 23, 2014, 08:19:52 AM
there are many threads with in this group that has held no interest for me and so by and large I have avoided going to them and reading through them or responding on any of them. I am looking very much forward to seeing this group be restored to monster related items and topics exclusively. Having said that within those discussions any banter and camaraderie should flourish and nothing should change in that regard. While I'm a bit nervous about seeing some of the things go away I am also very much looking forward to cleaning up a lot of non related monster topics and discussions. I'm looking forward to the changes.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 23, 2014, 08:24:07 AM
That particular statement of yours makes no sense at all. The moderators here have the same powers as they do in every other forum and they've been using those powers in the same way. They set the ground rules of the forum, they lock threads when discussions/arguments get out of hand and they issue warnings to members who are ignoring the rules and ban those who are being just plain disruptive. It's been the same on UMA as it is on every other forum from the start.

 ???

Well, he explained it in a subsequent post, and in that context it makes perfect sense to me. Perhaps you should try reading more and criticizing less.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 23, 2014, 08:28:54 AM
If I could undo one upcoming change it would be the deletion of non monster toys....love that spot...

I'd be satisfied with that.

 :)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: jimm on April 23, 2014, 08:34:54 AM
I came here for the monsters, but like many I have alot more collecting interests. I can only surmise it's to keep those like me off the site when I choose to speak of those interests, fair enough...
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: billyatom on April 23, 2014, 09:09:31 AM
What other site has an older toy discussion site?  Boo Hoo and BS
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Wich2 on April 23, 2014, 09:31:50 AM
Wow........I believe that this will be the only forum which I've ever encountered that didn't have a "General Discussion" section, or that felt that such a concession to well-rounded humanity detracted from the forum in toto.

To me, the greatest value of anything I collect resides not in the plastic, captured images, or monetary worth........but in the ability of that object to draw people into my life. Otherwise that's all it is....... A piece of plastic. A captured image. A potential dollar sign.

It takes 10 minutes of Googling to reveal everything known about whatever blow-molded treasure may excite us. What makes that beautiful bit of blow-molded goodness REALLY valuable lies in how it affects each individual. The memories it evokes. The story of how it became your passion. That's the only reason any of this stuff even matters. That's what forms those ties of friendship and that familial bond we've come to enjoy at the UMA. I hope we don't find in short order that we've lost touch with what is most valuable about being a MonsterKid......and that ain't the plastic.

Sometimes in a long thread, if you're very lucky, one post comes along that best gets to THE point. Gary just gave us that post.

-Craig
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Anton Phibes on April 23, 2014, 09:40:32 AM
What other site has an older toy discussion site?  Boo Hoo and BS


http://www.megomuseum.com/community/ (http://www.megomuseum.com/community/)

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: jimm on April 23, 2014, 09:45:44 AM
[url]http://www.megomuseum.com/community/[/url] ([url]http://www.megomuseum.com/community/[/url])


I liked this place a bit more....
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Anton Phibes on April 23, 2014, 10:11:39 AM
I liked this place a bit more....

I enjoy and prefer coming to the UMA for monster news and to share monster news more than most sites.

But a question was asked....and I answered. There are other sites that talk about old toys and deviate from the primary purpose of the forum. Heck---Mego Forums even has a section to discuss nothing but Horror movies. If UMA is no longer anyone's cup of tea, there are always....alternatives. :angel:
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: jimm on April 23, 2014, 10:17:19 AM
True, but when they changed original Coke I didn't like that either  8)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 23, 2014, 10:23:38 AM
Please continue making suggestions and posting threads to save. We had a thread for non-monster toys before, and we may keep that one. Other things like the Limericks will probably live on. We have a lot to think about and all of us have jobs or businesses and families and other interests, so please try to have a little patience and give things a chance to develop before taking everything to the most negative assumption you can conjure.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: jimm on April 23, 2014, 10:27:51 AM
Fair enuff  8)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 23, 2014, 10:37:17 AM
We had a thread for non-monster toys before, and we may keep that one.


There were actually at least two good lengthy ones:

The "other" collections! (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=11872.0)

Show Us Your Non-Monster Toys and Collectibles (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=2696.0)

 :-\

 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 23, 2014, 11:35:56 AM
Please continue making suggestions and posting threads to save.


Save our beasts .. err .. pet thread ... please.

http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=845.450 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=845.450)

A beast is a monster, is it not?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 23, 2014, 11:54:00 AM
Sometimes in a long thread, if you're very lucky, one post comes along that best gets to THE point. Gary just gave us that post.

-Craig

You have made this same point, over and over and over for years on this forum.

I have personally lost out on $2000 - $3000 in sales, have put my mother off a bit on helping her as she recovers from surgery, and have missed time with family and friends JUST to address this single issue at the UMA, because I care.  Seriously, don't need any more lectures about "what it's about".
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 23, 2014, 12:28:16 PM
We got some take out Chinese last night. My fortune:

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5482/13959168016_c979b5b6d4.jpg)

I hope you played those numbers.

How about Halloween-related things that aren't strictly monster-related:  I was thinking of all the "cute" Halloween decorations, costumes, noisemakers, candy boxes decorated with trick-or-treaters, etc.  Think they might be included under the general heading of "Halloween" or "Monster Night"?

I know a kid in a pink bunny costume on Halloween isn't really intentionally horror-themed, but they ARE pretty horrible. 

Shudder...

(Seriously, play those numbers.)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 23, 2014, 12:45:00 PM
I hope you played those numbers.

How about Halloween-related things that aren't strictly monster-related:  I was thinking of all the "cute" Halloween decorations, costumes, noisemakers, candy boxes decorated with trick-or-treaters, etc.  Think they might be included under the general heading of "Halloween" or "Monster Night"?

I know a kid in a pink bunny costume on Halloween isn't really intentionally horror-themed, but they ARE pretty horrible. 

Shudder...

(Seriously, play those numbers.)

I agree about Halloween. 

To be honest... I've played fortune cookie numbers and didn't even get three right .. but what if you don't play them and they come in?  Hmmmmm ... good luck.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 23, 2014, 02:03:00 PM
I know a kid in a pink bunny costume on Halloween isn't really intentionally horror-themed, but they ARE pretty horrible. 

Shudder....

 ;D
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 23, 2014, 02:05:38 PM
How about Halloween-related things that aren't strictly monster-related:  I was thinking of all the "cute" Halloween decorations, costumes, noisemakers, candy boxes decorated with trick-or-treaters, etc.  Think they might be included under the general heading of "Halloween" or "Monster Night"?

Maybe a Halloween forum could be the answer....

 :-\
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Wich2 on April 23, 2014, 02:08:18 PM
>You have made this same point, over and over and over for years on this forum.<

I did not just make that point, Gary did. And as nine folks saluted his thoughts with a "Like," I am evidently not alone is thinking his words were wise.

>Seriously, don't need any more lectures about "what it's about".<

And whenever a similar point has been made, no matter who made it or when, you have generally countered it with some defensive form of, "No, you are wrong - THIS is what it's about." Often you have taken that response to the level of not just disagreement, but personal insult. That is not Moderate.

But that all being said, Bobby:

Because I know that moderating is non-paying, can be hard work, and is often thankless, I say (and from the heart)  thank you, and all of the moderators over the years here at one of my favorite sites, for the time that you have invested.

-Craig
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 23, 2014, 03:41:50 PM
Friends, remember, if you think a particular thread should be saved, start posting the links to them! Today's the 23rd. The 27th is just around the corner. If you use Tapatalk, there's an easy "Copy URL" feature in the menu.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 23, 2014, 05:59:16 PM
That particular statement of yours makes no sense at all. The moderators here have the same powers as they do in every other forum and they've been using those powers in the same way. They set the ground rules of the forum, they lock threads when discussions/arguments get out of hand and they issue warnings to members who are ignoring the rules and ban those who are being just plain disruptive. It's been the same on UMA as it is on every other forum from the start.

 ???

I'm talking about manpower.  Moderator manpower.  Time.  Time.  Time.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 23, 2014, 06:16:54 PM
([url]http://www.nndb.com/people/181/000032085/schultz.jpg[/url])

Now that you've brought it up, having a discussion without the facts is sort (fill in your own blanks).

Leopards don't change their spots and all else, if a few posters are/were the problem (I don't know what the problem really is and I'm not bringing up that question), won't it be more effective to just PM them to stop starting certain types of threads?

Again, having any debate without facts to back it up ...(fill in your own blanks again) .. we can guess and surmise but in the end the fat man .. err .. lady .. or crickets will chirp or perhaps a lion will roar but only time will tell.


I am not aware that I was debating anything.  With regard to the present situation, I am surmising based upon what I have read and what I personally feel: time is the problem the moderators face.  Mere conjecture, really.  Sometimes that's all one can offer. 

 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 23, 2014, 06:47:04 PM
I am not aware that I was debating anything.  With regard to the present situation, I am surmising based upon what I have read and what I personally feel: time is the problem the moderators face.  Mere conjecture, really.  Sometimes that's all one can offer. 

 

Sorry AOF .. what I meant and apparently was unclear about is that the forum admins sort of started (I could be getting this wrong) this thread for discussion on the coming changes, leaving things open to debate.  I also understand that there are issues that they don't wish to share with the forum, which is their right but my point being .. How does one fairly debate or evaluate a topic without knowing all the facts?

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 23, 2014, 06:58:24 PM
The Universal Monster Army has decided to return to our roots and focus our forum back to what it was about when we started, which is monsters. As such, the following forums will be removed sometime on April 27, 2014.

Non-Monster Toys
Non-Monster Movies
General Discussion
Games, Polls, and Lists
Music
Sports
Technology & Video Games
Members Only

We realize this comes as a shock to many of our members, and may be very unpopular with some as well, however this decision was not made in haste, and it is not going to be reversed.  You are free to comment on this in this thread only, however if you are disruptive or abusive, your account will be suspended.

After the forums are removed, threads and posts off the topic of monsters may be deleted, at the discretion of forum moderators and administrators.

As the main General Discussion forum contains threads which are relevant to monsters and contain important parts of our history, it will be edited for non-monster content and returned in read-only form.  If there are threads in any of the forums slated for removal that contain significant monster content and you would like to remain available, please post a link to them below, and they will be reviewed and considered for moving to Gen Disc when it is returned as read-only.

Any off-topic threads that you may wish to save for posterity just hit the PRINT button in the top right toolbar and then right click and save as. You can save it to your hard drive.

Thanks for your attention and cooperation.

The Universal Monster Army Staff

Sorry AOF .. what I meant and apparently was unclear about is that the forum admins sort of started (I could be getting this wrong) this thread for discussion on the coming changes, leaving things open to debate.
Not really. It's gonna happen, period. The only discussion is for threads that should, perhaps, be moved into appropriate monster-related threads. Unless that's what you are referring to. In which case, you're 100% correct.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 23, 2014, 06:59:21 PM
Thanks for the clarification, Flower. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Zackuth on April 23, 2014, 07:27:13 PM
I'm talking about manpower.  Moderator manpower.  Time.  Time.  Time.

If time is the issue, perhaps something can be done.  This is an army, and all military personnel have to stand watch.

We could have a call for volunteers, open to Sergeants only, to read posts in a section to look for inappropriate posts, just as moderators do.  When the duty personnel finds one, they alert the moderator by pressing the “report to moderator button”.  I would suggest they duty person stay on duty for a month, starting on the 1st and ending on the 28th, 29th, 30th, 31st (whichever day it is), beginning and ending at midnight MST (Monster Standard Time, I don’t believe Monsters use Daylight Time).  I would have the duty person assigned to one or two sections, depending upon how many volunteer.  There should be those who are assigned to particular sites and 1 or 2 alternates.  Alternates will be available in case, due to health/work/family, someone assigned cannot complete the month.  Feedback from the moderators will be critical in the beginning as we learn exactly what posts we should report.
Once fully trained this will have the following results:
1.   All moderators will have to worry about as far as posts are the ones you’re alerted.  Moderators will have more time for themselves.
2.   Those who volunteer will end up monitoring their own posts, and those deemed inappropriate will not get posted.  Seriously, after reading posts for inappropriate content, I know that if I begin writing something that shouldn’t be posted, I’ll catch it.

That being said, I would like to volunteer, beginning May 1st, for duty.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 23, 2014, 07:33:20 PM
With all due respect, that already exists -- albeit in a less structured (arguably less complicated) manner.  The "report" feature allows any member to report activity to a moderator.  This alerts mods to a problem.   
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 23, 2014, 07:42:08 PM
Not really. It's gonna happen, period. The only discussion is for threads that should, perhaps, be moved into appropriate monster-related threads. Unless that's what you are referring to. In which case, you're 100% correct.

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Sorry Count, I wasn't addressing you but was clarifying a statement to someone else. REALLY!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 23, 2014, 08:12:33 PM
Not really. It's gonna happen, period. The only discussion is for threads that should, perhaps, be moved into appropriate monster-related threads. Unless that's what you are referring to. In which case, you're 100% correct.

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I am unable to edit my posts and wonder why you are addressing or misquoting me.  I never said that there won't be changes, only that we are debating issues without having all the facts.  You have no idea about what I am posting about, it's not about you. I've never asked you a question, nor did I raise a question.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: tv horror on April 23, 2014, 08:24:33 PM
Like Flower and the Baron I'll give my two cents even though everybody knows I have no cents in the first place.  By all means keep the Limerick thread the Baron is one of our elder statesmen and it is chock a block with monster references. As for the remaining threads I agree that some of them have left the tracks so streamlining the forum might be a great thing and I am looking forward to seeing how it plays out. Now before I am put upon, I have to stress that over the years I have made some fantastic friends on this forum and in turn I hope that I have given back some of the friendship shown to me. Yes it will be sad to see some members go as it has been for those members who have passed away, but you never know there could be that thread where some of your other collectibles might just fit in over time. I will be paying a wait and see game, and as a little p.s comics do have a place on the site. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: FETT1 on April 23, 2014, 08:38:43 PM
So are Finks, Weird-Ohs &  Flypoggers monsters?  :o

OHHHHH I hOpe so.........

nutty mads ...these definitely lOok da part !
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 23, 2014, 08:47:50 PM
The Roth and weirdos threads have already been moved to vintage toys.  We will have one non monster toy thread. I can combine a couple into one but that is a little messy.

 There will be a horror lit forum and limericks will be moved there.

Beasts can be read only.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 23, 2014, 08:49:23 PM
THE UMA a couple months from now. Well close. BAD decision Mods. >:(

Cricket Sound ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg#[/url])
I often  embed that YouTube.  That's an all time favorite! 

If one were to read all of the comments and had prior insight, one might construe that this change is a necessary refocus of the website's initial purpose: building monster toy collections. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 23, 2014, 08:59:33 PM
Sorry Count, I wasn't addressing you but was clarifying a statement to someone else. REALLY!

I am unable to edit my posts and wonder why you are addressing or misquoting me.  I never said that there won't be changes, only that we are debating issues without having all the facts.  You have no idea about what I am posting about, it's not about you. I've never asked you a question, nor did I raise a question.
I was trying to help clarify something. Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick, that's all. I've read all the posts in here, so I do have a basic grasp of what's going on! I'm tired of walking on eggshells, so I'm going to do us both a favor and block you. That way, I don't somehow start the UMA Crimean War by simply replying to a post.
Edit: It seems blocking is no longer an option. Guess I'll have to get used to eggshells.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 23, 2014, 09:28:24 PM
Allhallowsday if you knew much about the forum or its history or origins you would never have thought that.  At least for the mods and admins it has not been a big collection builder.  And there was little or no trading the first 3 years. And Terry started it after he had mostly stopped collecting.  So no.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 24, 2014, 05:56:33 AM
I was trying to help clarify something. Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick, that's all. I've read all the posts in here, so I do have a basic grasp of what's going on! I'm tired of walking on eggshells, so I'm going to do us both a favor and block you. That way, I don't somehow start the UMA Crimean War by simply replying to a post.
Edit: It seems blocking is no longer an option. Guess I'll have to get used to eggshells.

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How can you clarify MY post which you don't understand? It is clear that you have no idea what I was saying to someone else or what my words meant. Stop twisting my words and meanings .. did your *$%(% misquote of my post get you the attention that you crave? Misquote and misunderstand someone else .. the egg is on your face.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: frankenstein73 on April 24, 2014, 06:08:39 AM
So..........remind me again why we are shutting down the non monster threads.......
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 24, 2014, 07:14:10 AM

How about Halloween-related things that aren't strictly monster-related:  I was thinking of all the "cute" Halloween decorations, costumes, noisemakers, candy boxes decorated with trick-or-treaters, etc.  Think they might be included under the general heading of "Halloween" or "Monster Night"?

I know a kid in a pink bunny costume on Halloween isn't really intentionally horror-themed, but they ARE pretty horrible. 



There were a couple of general Halloween threads in Non-Monster Toys that were moved into Vintage Monster Toys already. Yes, that is on-topic.  The Pink Bunny Halloween Costume Appreciation Thread is not.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 24, 2014, 07:15:59 AM
There were a couple of general Halloween threads in Non-Monster Toys that were moved into Vintage Monster Toys already. Yes, that is on-topic.  The Pink Bunny Halloween Costume Appreciation Thread is not.

Perfect - Thanks.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 24, 2014, 07:17:51 AM

Bravo, I am all for it.
I lost interest in the site and completely stopped posting due to the amount of non monster related topics that i felt should have been discussed on a different site.
it made no sense to me when i or someone would post a comment about a monster related toy or movie and get little to no feedback or interest back, yet a completely off the wall topic would get pages of discussion.
Thank you moderators for making this tough decision.
I look forward to the change.


That's the primary reason for it, Frankenstein73!


We misfits are socially awkward a lot of the time, and we admins and mods are ill equipped to deal with all of the extra-curricular stuff that goes on. Not only that, we most certainly don't want to. The people who play on the pity of others to get free stuff, making up imaginary circumstances. The people who have real circumstances and come to the UMA to find support for them from others who can't handle their own that well.

Some of us are who we are online. Others of us are who we want to be, or who we want others to think we are. If you are a trusting, honest person coming here to vent your feelings or find camaraderie that's great, but you are sometimes doing that as a sheep among some wolves (and I'm not talking about admins and mods here). There are going to be some really bad consequences if this continues on it's present track. We don't know what those are, and don't want to find out.

And even still, there are other major reasons that we cannot and don't need to go into.

Leave, stay, whatever you decide to do is up to you. If you were coming to the UMA for reasons other than monsters, and don't want to be here if it's just about monsters, you probably are best off leaving. We will miss you and it pains all of us to see that happen, but we do hope that it leads to changes in your life that are positive. If you decide to stay and talk about monsters, great!  Let's have some monster fun together!



Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: billyatom on April 24, 2014, 07:41:51 AM
You have made this same point, over and over and over for years on this forum.

I have personally lost out on $2000 - $3000 in sales, have put my mother off a bit on helping her as she recovers from surgery, and have missed time with family and friends JUST to address this single issue at the UMA, because I care.  Seriously, don't need any more lectures about "what it's about".

Wait a  minute, are you actually saying that "monsters" are more important than your family?  Time to reassess your life, Bro.  I've heard of various addictions, but never "Little Plastic Toy Addiction".
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 24, 2014, 07:53:20 AM
...I've heard of various addictions, but never "Little Plastic Toy Addiction".

I can't speak for anyone else, but it's the reason I am here.  (That and my love of monsters in general.)

Sad, huh?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 24, 2014, 08:13:10 AM
Wait a  minute, are you actually saying that "monsters" are more important than your family?  Time to reassess your life, Bro.  I've heard of various addictions, but never "Little Plastic Toy Addiction".

 No. But I'm not surprised that someone jumped on that to make assumptions about my life. In fact, after I posted that I kinda sighed knowing that was coming.

I do have "little plastic toy addiction" as do many of us here. I'm OCD as all get-out and little plastic toy addiction is a (relatively) healthy way to channel that.  And I continually re-assess my life and have decided this is a good thing for it.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: marsattacks666 on April 24, 2014, 08:16:50 AM
Wait a  minute, are you actually saying that "monsters" are more important than your family?  Time to reassess your life, Bro.  I've heard of various addictions, but never "Little Plastic Toy Addiction".

Like any other addiction (s). There is most definitely a : Little Plastic Toy Addiction.  Let's be honest here...People who collect or collectors, become obsessed, one way or another. Whether it is an Action Figure or Mask or etc.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: marsattacks666 on April 24, 2014, 08:19:15 AM
No. But I'm not surprised that someone jumped on that to make assumptions about my life. In fact, after I posted that I kinda sighed knowing that was coming.

I do have "little plastic toy addiction" as do many of us here. I'm OCD as all get-out and little plastic toy addiction is a (relatively) healthy way to channel that.  And I continually re-assess my life and have decided this is a good thing for it.


 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 24, 2014, 08:40:57 AM
By the way, I fixed your avatar billyatom.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 24, 2014, 08:53:32 AM
I do have "little plastic toy addiction" as do many of us here. I'm OCD as all get-out and little plastic toy addiction is a (relatively) healthy way to channel that.  And I continually re-assess my life and have decided this is a good thing for it.

Yes. As Toy Ranch posted once before, rather than spending the money to get his little plastic toy addiction treated, he decided he'd rather spend the money acquiring more of the little plastic toys instead. A well thought out cost-benefit analysis in my book. After all, while a little plastic toy addiction leaves us with less money, at least it leaves us with an ever increasing quantity of little plastic toys, which may even have some value to others! It's light years better than blowing money on these other adult addictions, such as smokes, booze, both illegal and prescription drugs, all of which not only leave you showing nothing for your money but destroy your health as well. And then what about all the endless hours many/most people watch TV? Surely that destroys brain cells as well.

 ;)

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: billyatom on April 24, 2014, 08:59:53 AM
OK, i need to step back a little after readiing the replies to my post.  OK, i too have OCD, but as everyone is different in the world, people respond to their "brain" in various ways.  I "jumped" on your statement without thinking it all the way through.  As a child of the 60s i should be more understanding.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: billyatom on April 24, 2014, 09:01:35 AM
Thanks for fixing my Avatar.  As a Private i need to present myself better
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 24, 2014, 09:54:44 AM
I loved discussing my non monster goodies as much as my monster goodies. I had one spot to go to see Monsters, Buds guns, Heps comics, and the rest of the stuff I love.


...and as a little p.s comics do have a place on the site.


What comics do you collect?  (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=12492.0)

Maybe the "What comics do you collect?" thread could be moved back to the Memorable Memorabilia forum where it was originally or to the new Horror Literature forum.

 ???
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 24, 2014, 10:10:12 AM
OHHHHH I hOpe so.........

nutty mads ...these definitely lOok da part !


I agree. Here's Horrorhunter's Nutty Mads thread:

Nutty Mads (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=23460.msg381165#msg381165)

And what about Jimm's sci-fi collectibles thread? Is that sufficiently monster themed?

Take Me to Your Leader! (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=19383.0)

 ???





Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 24, 2014, 12:47:48 PM
Allhallowsday if you knew much about the forum or its history or origins you would never have thought that.  At least for the mods and admins it has not been a big collection builder.  And there was little or no trading the first 3 years. And Terry started it after he had mostly stopped collecting.  So no.

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What I wrote was "...one might..."  not "I think" or "I thought". 

...If one were to read all of the comments and had prior insight, one might construe that this change is a necessary refocus of the website's initial purpose: building monster toy collections.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Wich2 on April 24, 2014, 01:25:46 PM
>a necessary refocus of the website's initial purpose: building monster toy collections<

???

I've been around the UMA for a very long time (since 2007, to be exact), and I don't recall any mission statement anywhere defining such a sole, narrow goal.

-Craig
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Haunted hearse on April 24, 2014, 01:29:46 PM
Considering how active some of these non-monster posts are, I have trouble understanding why removing non-monster posts is considered a good idea.  How hard is it to ignore them, if you have no interest in them?  Have there been that many complaints about non-monster posts, that this was considered necessary for the health of UMA?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 24, 2014, 01:43:34 PM
Considering how active some of these non-monster posts are, I have trouble understanding why removing non-monster posts is considered a good idea.  How hard is it to ignore them, if you have no interest in them?  Have there been that many complaints about non-monster posts, that this was considered necessary for the health of UMA?
I don't believe it was complaints about the number of posts in non-monster threads that lead to the decision. It's more a matter of the number of posts overall being too overwhelming on the moderators. By trimming the forums down to a more manageable size, the mods and admins can better keep an eye on things in general, before they escalate out of control. Whether it be inflammatory dialogue or inappropriate images, or anything else that requires their interventions. That's my general understanding of the situation.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 24, 2014, 01:47:01 PM
One might construe that one is being a dick. One might feel it's one, one might feel it's another. Both may be right or wrong. It's an unknowable thing, that.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Street Worm on April 24, 2014, 01:59:34 PM
The one (non) Monster thread I'll be saddest to see go would be Give Me a Gun or Somethin'! The Monster's At the Door! (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=14574.0) -
so much great & cool stuff in there... we sure did have a lot of groovy war & spy toys growing up... ;D
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 24, 2014, 02:24:57 PM
Yes, I would miss that one a whole lot too, as well as Bigbud if he can't find anywhere to post the treasures that still lurk down in his dungeon. That's a thread even a Baptist Women's Knitting Forum might make room for somewhere. And of course it's had "monster" in the title right from the start!

 :)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: frankenstein73 on April 24, 2014, 02:34:13 PM
Good point hep! It is definitely a monster related thread, after all we all fought monsters in our youth and it wasn't with shovels and pitchforks. It was with cool gadgets and guns!
And bigbud obviously had the insight to title it as such.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 24, 2014, 02:36:10 PM
A little tweaking to re-focus on monsters/horrors, science fiction (contains lots of monsters)/Halloween (the one holiday devoted to other-worldly beings and monsters) seems like a good thing.

After all this is the "Universal Monster Army".

There is no great harm in threads that focus on pictures of pets, comparing tattoos, sports, etc. but they seem just as out of place here as would a "What Monster Movie Scared You Most As A Kid?" thread in a forum devoted to Cooking and Trading Recipes for Exotic Foods.  (And, come on, "sports" can be as divisive as politics.) 

Lots of loosely related threads are being retained.  I have no problem with the changes.

No longer amused by excoriating this particular equine, I will now move on in search of a still breathing beast.

(See you in the other threads!)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 24, 2014, 02:48:16 PM
Considering how active some of these non-monster posts are, I have trouble understanding why removing non-monster posts is considered a good idea.

A little tweaking to re-focus on monsters/horrors, science fiction (contains lots of monsters)/Halloween (the one holiday devoted to other-worldly beings and monsters) seems like a good thing.

One very salient observation though. UMA is not the best classic movie forum on the web by light years. It may not be the biggest and best classic monster movie forum on the web either. What it has become though, is the single best vintage baby boomer toy forum on the web. Why not continue with our strong point? Why get away from it? That would be like Babe Ruth de-emphasizing his hitting because it was as a pitcher that he broke into baseball.

 ???
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 24, 2014, 02:55:33 PM
>a necessary refocus of the website's initial purpose: building monster toy collections<
???
I've been around the UMA for a very long time (since 2007, to be exact), and I don't recall any mission statement anywhere defining such a sole, narrow goal.
-Craig
And I am sure you know better than I do.  Quote my entire remark, because it was merely a thought process, not a declaration.  I'll rephrase: maybe someone will think the changes are about an initial goal of building a monster collection.  I did not and do not say that that is what I think.  And building a collection is a wonderful thing, not a bad thing. 

One might construe that one is being a dick. One might feel it's one, one might feel it's another. Both may be right or wrong. It's an unknowable thing, that.
It seems to me one might construe that you are taking a supposition personally.  It was not intended as such, and though I've been accused of hurling insults, I've never done that.  Have you? 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: jimm on April 24, 2014, 03:02:01 PM
So what your saying hep is maybe its about the army (us) and our interests in general as much as it is about the monsters themselves...hmmm... 'tis a tangled web...
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: jimm on April 24, 2014, 03:04:27 PM
Honestly I've wondered why they're was a general AND member only form, kinda redundant
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: horrorhunter on April 24, 2014, 03:12:25 PM
Dinosaur threads are good candidates for salvage. Here is one I started:

http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=23582.msg382662#msg382662 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=23582.msg382662#msg382662)

I'm sure there are many more. You can't get much more Monsterkid than toy dinosaurs.  :)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 24, 2014, 03:25:34 PM
Honestly I've wondered why they're was a general AND member only form, kinda redundant

I've always thought that the Members Only forum was for the sort of topics that were personal, which one didn't desire the world to see but didn't mind their trusted co-posters  reading but I could be incorrect in that assumption.

Why did I start birthday threads in Member's only?  I don't know, it just seemed like the thing to do ..  :o

Do we need birthday and holiday threads?  I don't know.  Do I need to start them?  Not really.

I'll see how things 'shake down' and go or not go from there.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 24, 2014, 03:26:53 PM
Dinosaur threads are good candidates for salvage. Here is one I started:

[url]http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=23582.msg382662#msg382662[/url] ([url]http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=23582.msg382662#msg382662[/url])

I'm sure there are many more. You can't get much more Monsterkid than toy dinosaurs.  :)


I like dinosaurs too.  Especially the ones on the covers of 'Star Spangled War Stories' ..  ;D
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 24, 2014, 03:29:03 PM
And I am sure you know better than I do.  Quote my entire remark, because it was merely a thought process, not a declaration.  I'll rephrase: maybe someone will think the changes are about an initial goal of building a monster collection.  I did not and do not say that that is what I think.  And building a collection is a wonderful thing, not a bad thing. 
It seems to me one might construe that you are taking a supposition personally.  It was not intended as such, and though I've been accused of hurling insults, I've never done that.  Have you? 

No, I was just speaking rhetorically and making a point about mincing words.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: horrorhunter on April 24, 2014, 03:37:14 PM
I like dinosaurs too.  Especially the ones on the covers of 'Star Spangled War Stories' ..  ;D

I agree. I also think Hep's comic thread should be saved and moved to Memorable Memorabilia. Even though many of the comics posted didn't technically feature monsters enough of them did to warrant saving the thread. Besides, all vintage comics go hand in hand with being a Monsterkid. The ads alone are enough for a solid link.  ;)
(http://p.twimg.com/Ax5EFUACEAARQ68.jpg:large)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Haunted hearse on April 24, 2014, 03:56:33 PM
I agree. I also think Hep's comic thread should be saved and moved to Memorable Memorabilia. Even though many of the comics posted didn't technically feature monsters enough of them did to warrant saving the thread. Besides, all vintage comics go hand in hand with being a Monsterkid. The ads alone are enough for a solid link.  ;)
([url]http://p.twimg.com/Ax5EFUACEAARQ68.jpg:large[/url])
Now comes the painful process of trying to consider what exactly can qualify.  The Munster Koach, appeals to fans of the Munsters, and people who like custom cars.  Does this mean it would be wrong to post pictures of "The Black Beauty", or even the "Batmobile", because neither have been involved in a horror movie?  What about things from Star Wars? I realize the idea was to simplify the jobs for the moderators, but I don't envy the moderators new task of trying to decide exactly what can be posted in a forum that is now declared to be limiting it's self to monsters exclusively.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 24, 2014, 04:20:37 PM
So what your saying hep is maybe its about the army (us) and our interests in general as much as it is about the monsters themselves...hmmm... 'tis a tangled web...

Truth on both counts.

 8)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 24, 2014, 04:40:55 PM
No, I was just speaking rhetorically and making a point about mincing words.
Well, I don't mince words, which I would have expected you to be well aware of.  And a veiled insult is still an insult. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 24, 2014, 04:51:13 PM
Well AHD, I wasn't making a veiled insult. I used the same words you did.

"What I wrote was "...one might..."  not "I think" or "I thought"."

I thought that you were saying you thought that, and you pointed out that you didn't.

Now you think that I am insulting you in a veiled manner, and I am pointing out that I'm not.  And actually I don't feel that way about you at all, but I was making a point and I hope that you understand the point I was making now.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 24, 2014, 04:54:59 PM
Honestly I've wondered why they're was a general AND member only form, kinda redundant

The "member only" forum is not searchable on the internet. Only logged in members can read it, and it's not indexed into search engines. The original reason for it was if people wanted to share artwork or other things that they didn't want popping up in Google Images, etc. but didn't mind being semi-public among the registered membership here.  It was asked for, and so we did it.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 24, 2014, 05:52:51 PM
Well AHD, I wasn't making a veiled insult. I used the same words you did.
"What I wrote was "...one might..."  not "I think" or "I thought"."
I thought that you were saying you thought that, and you pointed out that you didn't.
Now you think that I am insulting you in a veiled manner, and I am pointing out that I'm not.  And actually I don't feel that way about you at all, but I was making a point and I hope that you understand the point I was making now.
No, I don't understand what your point might be.  You used some of my words, not the same words.  I did not use the word "dick".  I'm glad, though, that you "don't feel that way about [me] at all".   
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 24, 2014, 06:51:22 PM
My point is, that you said something, and I responded to it. Then you said that you weren't saying it's your opinion, you were saying that "one might" think that.

Then I used the exact same terminology, and you took it to mean that I was saying it's my opinion. Which it's not, and I was only showing you why I reacted as I did. You were kind enough to react exactly the same way to the same circumstance, thus demonstrating why you got the reaction from me that you did, as you gave me back the same reaction, even after the "one might" part had been identified, or "minced" by you.

Granted, I made it a bit more sensational than you did, however what you said read to me as an accusation that we are running some sort of toy harvest racket here, and that is a long ways from reality. Like if reality were in New York City, the accusation would be in Australia.  Other side of the world.

I don't believe I can explain it any better than that, so if it still doesn't make sense, just understand that I wasn't calling you a name, and I don't think of you that way.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 24, 2014, 07:09:10 PM

No longer amused by excoriating this particular equine, I will now move on in search of a still breathing beast.

(See you in the other threads!)


For some reason that above sentence made me think of this scene from 'Black Beauty' .. poor Ginger.

Black Beauty Ginger Dies . (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EVU5cDlyWc#ws)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 24, 2014, 08:45:57 PM
My point is, that you said something, and I responded to it. Then you said that you weren't saying it's your opinion, you were saying that "one might" think that.

Then I used the exact same terminology, and you took it to mean that I was saying it's my opinion. Which it's not, and I was only showing you why I reacted as I did. You were kind enough to react exactly the same way to the same circumstance, thus demonstrating why you got the reaction from me that you did, as you gave me back the same reaction, even after the "one might" part had been identified, or "minced" by you.

Granted, I made it a bit more sensational than you did, however what you said read to me as an accusation that we are running some sort of toy harvest racket here, and that is a long ways from reality. Like if reality were in New York City, the accusation would be in Australia.  Other side of the world.

I don't believe I can explain it any better than that, so if it still doesn't make sense, just understand that I wasn't calling you a name, and I don't think of you that way.

I am sorry if you think I had suggested you were running a "toy harvest racket".  That however is perplexing 'cause you certainly paid for the things you bought from me. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Universal Steve on April 24, 2014, 10:07:29 PM
Just wanted to put in my 2 cents. I am still without a computer and doing this on a I pad. so please bear with me. Terry himself drafted me back in the Yahoo days because of my site. I am all about the classic  Universal Monsters. Over the years, there has been a lot of off topic post. some I would enjoy and some I would only read. Some members gave me a glimpse into their lives with some of their posts. it made me feel I knew them even though we have never met. I considered some of them I posted with a lot friends. Everyone here has been great and kind and respectful to me and that was always appreciated especially when I had my heart attack. I never had a problem with anyone. even though I like to know birthdays and if someone is ill or has passed on the main purpose of the forum is the Universal Monsters hence the name Universal Monster Army. I can see the moderators point. I would still like to see the UMA as one big family as it always has been. I hope no one leaves and maybe if someone has something personal to share with some members, it could be done through PM.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Anton Phibes on April 24, 2014, 10:28:05 PM
Have a potato. 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8vIR1Q5QLg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8vIR1Q5QLg)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 24, 2014, 10:31:48 PM
Thank you.  I should love a potato. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Anton Phibes on April 24, 2014, 10:35:50 PM
Thank you.  I should love a potato.


...and perhaps a cigar: they're my only weakness...... 8).  No offense meant to anyone. Just an attempt to alleviate some of the seriousness and somberness of the thread. We can all still pm one another if we like. Not to mention those of us who have met in person may continue to do so. No moderators required there I should think.

(http://zusiddiqui.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/sorry.jpg?w=519)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 24, 2014, 10:46:51 PM
We shall drink to our partnership.  Do you like gin?  ;)

This is really what it's all about.  This is why I come to the UMA and have been coming here for years.  We speak a language that is unknown to most the rest of the world, a language that does not have to cease simply because some sections are getting thinned out.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 24, 2014, 11:22:39 PM
We shall drink to our partnership.  Do you like gin?  ;)

This is really what it's all about.  This is why I come to the UMA and have been coming here for years.  We speak a language that is unknown to most the rest of the world, a language that does not have to cease simply because some sections are getting thinned out.
This is why I joined: 
Bride of Frankenstein (3/10) Movie CLIP - Teaching the Monster Manners (1935) HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKdtuwTr-iM#ws)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Scatter on April 24, 2014, 11:35:22 PM
Considering how active some of these non-monster posts are, I have trouble understanding why removing non-monster posts is considered a good idea.  How hard is it to ignore them, if you have no interest in them?  Have there been that many complaints about non-monster posts, that this was considered necessary for the health of UMA?

What he said. What happened to the simple exercise of free will? Just don't click on threads in which you have no interest. It seems quite the simple solution to implementing Bobby's fortune cookie life philosophy, n'est ce pas?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 25, 2014, 12:15:12 AM
I just think of some of the wonderful convos I've had in the non-monster sections with various members. I contribute to the monster sections when something there interests me, or when I have news that I think will interest the UMA in general. But, in the non-monster sections, sometimes those topics were my favorites, because I couldn't believe anyone else on here would like those things, too. It was one-stop messaging! The fact that other boards out there exist to discuss those other topics wasn't the point. It was that others (even if it was just a handful of folks) already here also liked the same thing. That's where the feeling of true community comes from on the UMA, for me. And, I just hate the idea that it could get lost in the reshuffling of the deck.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 25, 2014, 05:59:43 AM
What he said. What happened to the simple exercise of free will? Just don't click on threads in which you have no interest. It seems quite the simple solution to implementing Bobby's fortune cookie life philosophy, n'est ce pas?

Very sound logic and common sense .. Alas, that doesn't always get one far in this universe.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Ghost on April 25, 2014, 10:19:42 AM
Quote
Welcome to Universal Monster Army. UMA is an online community dedicated to classic horror films and the pop culture that surrounds them.

So it looks like this will be the line up.

Army Announcements
Induction Center
Vintage Monster Toys
Modern Monster Toys
Monster Kits
Masks and Busts
Memorable Memorabilia
Classic Monster Movies
Modern Monster Movies
Monster Television
Shows and Events
Monsters for Sale
Monsters Wanted

My suggestions for other topic areas.

Monster Kid Memories - for nostalgia related threads about monsters, Halloween threads for current and past costumes and house decorations, threads on how we got started on collecting monsters, etc.
Vintage Science Fiction Toys - for all spacemen, robots, ray-guns, aliens, etc.
Modern Science Fiction Toys - for continuations of the above topic into the modern era to include new Godzillas, Aliens franchise, Predator, etc.
Vintage Prehistoric Toys - For all dinosaur and Pleistocene animals related threads.
Modern Prehistoric Toys - for continuations of the above topic for cool new toys related to our favorite saurians and wooly creatures.

Generally sci-fi toys and dinosaurs are not considered monsters threads including such would muddy the vintage and modern monsters threads. Halloween and memory threads would also cause placement issues as to where to put photos including masks but that may also be just makeup or decorations and to have its own area would help to avoid cluttering up the masks section, the vintage toys section, and the memorable memorabilia section. Memories of former monster kids that visited this forum could also be included there such as threads about unknown primate or the cemetery for deceased stars of monster film and screen.

For the science fiction toys and prehistoric toys sections they would need to be limited in scope to correlate to the mission statement of the forum and for dinophiles, alien friends, and robonuts to get more there may be links to other appropriate forums to satisfy more of those wants.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 25, 2014, 12:49:14 PM
They'll be adding a Monster Literature section, too. It will cover classic horror, modern horror, and comics/graphic novels. AND limericks!

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 25, 2014, 01:09:19 PM

My suggestions for other topic areas.

Monster Kid Memories - for nostalgia related threads about monsters, Halloween threads for current and past costumes and house decorations, threads on how we got started on collecting monsters, etc.
Vintage Science Fiction Toys - for all spacemen, robots, ray-guns, aliens, etc.
Modern Science Fiction Toys - for continuations of the above topic into the modern era to include new Godzillas, Aliens franchise, Predator, etc.
Vintage Prehistoric Toys - For all dinosaur and Pleistocene animals related threads.
Modern Prehistoric Toys - for continuations of the above topic for cool new toys related to our favorite saurians and wooly creatures.


The "Monster" sections have always been for horror, sci-fi and fantasy films and toys. If they're not being posted there, they should be. The description could be changed to make that clearer, I suppose.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Wich2 on April 25, 2014, 05:58:46 PM
>Over the years, there has been a lot of off topic post. some I would enjoy and some I would only read. Some members gave me a glimpse into their lives with some of their posts. it made me feel I knew them even though we have never met. I considered some of them I posted with a lot friends. Everyone here has been great and kind and respectful to me and that was always appreciated especially when I had my heart attack.<

Bless you, Steve. I think that's ironclad proof that:

1. Such topics are worthy.
2. Monsterkids as a species are quite capable of handling such real issues.

Best,
-Craig
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 25, 2014, 08:06:42 PM
Hopefully this thread is scheduled to be saved:

Monster Memories (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=17913.0)

 ???
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 26, 2014, 10:42:41 AM
Horror Literature is temporarily a sub-forum of Memorable Memorabilia. It will become a regular forum after we finish graphics and all for it.  We usually have all these things done before we make them public. There will be a little more public construction this time around.

Please be aware that when the forums go away, just because you will not be able to see some of your favorite monster threads for a while does NOT mean they have been deleted. It just means they have been moved to the construction zone and will come back after they are ready. There are threads in Gen Disc and it's sub-forums that will move to active forums or be made read-only in the Gen Disc forum after it has been re-done some.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: BARON TIMOTHEUS BGG on April 26, 2014, 06:10:56 PM
To Ye Honourable UMA Powers-that-Be,
   Whither, pray, tell, into which area, hath ye MONSTER LITERATURE/LIMERICKS disappeared?
I am, in need, of adding, yet, another! Thanks!
EXANIMO EVERNOW,
BARON TIMOTHEUS, B.G.G.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 26, 2014, 07:46:39 PM
To Ye Honourable UMA Powers-that-Be,
   Whither, pray, tell, into which area, hath ye MONSTER LITERATURE/LIMERICKS disappeared?
I am, in need, of adding, yet, another! Thanks!
EXANIMO EVERNOW,
BARON TIMOTHEUS, B.G.G.
You might have to wait a few days, Baron. Castle Dracula wasn't built by enslaved nobles who betrayed Vlad Tepes in a day, after all.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: carbon on April 26, 2014, 08:43:16 PM
It saddens me to learn that the UMA moderators hate kittens.

What is this hornet's nest I've just stumbled into?! Longtime lurker but only occasional poster here. Gotta admit I have a special fondness for forums that are run like saloons, with few rules and an expectation that users can hash out their differences while expressing themselves in whatever manner their (sometimes abrasive) natures dictate. Such forums are essentially self-policing, with users letting anyone who's out of line know it. But I'm also aware that saloons have bouncers for a reason.

Of course we've all seen forums where entire threads have been deleted, which has always seemed unfortunate since each of those deletions were interesting snapshots of a moment in time within the forum. While it's great the moderators here have agreed to preserve some folders/threads/posts (usually in read-only format) as requested by members, let's not forget that any of us can simply trot over to http://archive.org/web/ (http://archive.org/web/) and save our favorite threads for posterity ourselves. The automatic systems at archive.org crawl the web every few months and have already captured much of the UMA site. You can find their direct link to the UMA forum here: http://tinyurl.com/UMAarchive (http://tinyurl.com/UMAarchive) While there, click on whatever forum topics interest you. If you get a "Wayback Machine doesn't have that page archived" message simply click the "Save this url in the Wayback Machine" link and the url will be archived. Make sure the individual threads you're interested in within the topic folders are archived, too. (You'll know they're not if you get the message telling you so). If you have some urls handy you can also use the "Save Page Now" box at the http://archive.org/web/ (http://archive.org/web/) homepage to do this. The archived links could be posted here. It's as close to "etched in stone" as you'll find online, since the sole purpose of the archive website is to preserve web pages. Better move fast, though, time's running out! By the time some of you read this it may already be too late if the deletions have occurred.

Ideally, it would ruffle fewer feathers if the changes to be made here had been proposed by moderators as a test flight, of sorts. Put the deleted threads/posts in cold storage rather than permanently trashing them, thus preserving the option of restoring the deletions should the desire ever arise. Give the new forum a year to fly and then decide if it's time, on April 27, 2015, for the Return of the Exiled Threads...or some of them, anyway. Of course, realistically, that's not the way these things are generally handled; and nobody really expects the changes to be implemented in that fashion here. Still, there's no denying that such an approach might placate some of the dissenters — or at least give them a year to more comfortably acclimate the changes while pining for a possible return of old favorites.

And I realize the moderators don't really hate kittens, in case anyone thought I was serious. ::)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 26, 2014, 09:17:02 PM
And I realize the moderators don't really hate kittens . . .

Quite the contrary! I think they're delicious!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 26, 2014, 09:46:55 PM
Quite the contrary! I think they're delicious!
Especially if they're feral free-range.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 26, 2014, 10:32:36 PM
To Ye Honourable UMA Powers-that-Be,
   Whither, pray, tell, into which area, hath ye MONSTER LITERATURE/LIMERICKS disappeared?
I am, in need, of adding, yet, another! Thanks!
EXANIMO EVERNOW,
BARON TIMOTHEUS, B.G.G.



http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=1068.2700 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=1068.2700)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 27, 2014, 06:13:24 AM
Quite the contrary! I think they're delicious!

The humor in this escapes me .. especially since I've worked with and attempted to save feral and other kittens.  There is more heartache than joy and you can never save them all. It's the ones who you can't save who haunt you all your life.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 27, 2014, 10:05:58 AM
Ideally, it would ruffle fewer feathers if the changes to be made here had been proposed by moderators as a test flight, of sorts. Put the deleted threads/posts in cold storage rather than permanently trashing them, thus preserving the option of restoring the deletions should the desire ever arise. Give the new forum a year to fly and then decide if it's time, on April 27, 2015, for the Return of the Exiled Threads...or some of them, anyway.... Still, there's no denying that such an approach might placate some of the dissenters — or at least give them a year to more comfortably acclimate the changes while pining for a possible return of old favorites.

Truth!

 :)

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 27, 2014, 12:41:48 PM
The humor in this escapes me .. especially since I've worked with and attempted to save feral and other kittens. 

So, you never tell jokes, because there's always someone who's going to take offence?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 27, 2014, 01:18:34 PM
The secret to good roast kitten is having great dipping sauces!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 27, 2014, 01:27:13 PM
Well, today's the day.  They're tearing down Tim Riley's Bar.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: poseablemonster on April 27, 2014, 01:28:11 PM
The secret to good roast kitten is having great dipping sauces!
I understand it is a delicacy in some cultures. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 27, 2014, 01:35:26 PM
Hopefully the Pinball thread will be saved.

Pinball Machines (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=13734.0)

It's loaded with discussion about monster-themed pinball games.

 :)

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 27, 2014, 01:50:38 PM
Hopefully the Pinball thread will be saved.

Pinball Machines ([url]http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=13734.0[/url])

It's loaded with discussion about monster-themed pinball games.

 :)




It's also loaded with the kind of cutesy crap we are trying to get out of here, and that never should have been here in the first place.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Scatter on April 27, 2014, 02:48:08 PM
Geez Bobby......I just read all nine pages of the pinball thread. Not seeing the "cutesy crap". All pinball talk, most of it monster related, and a great deal of it by The General. Was he posting "cutesy crap"? Maybe you should give him a good scolding?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 27, 2014, 02:51:03 PM
I just read all nine pages of the pinball thread. Not seeing the "cutesy crap".

I think he means stuff like Rocky and Bullwinkle.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Scatter on April 27, 2014, 03:04:38 PM
Ah.....the mere mention in a post of Rocky and Bullwinkle renders the entire thread "cutesy crap". Not too Draconian.  ;D
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 27, 2014, 03:14:45 PM
Ah.....the mere mention in a post of Rocky and Bullwinkle . .

Stuff like Rocky and Bullwinkle. There's lots of other non monster stuff in there.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: FETT1 on April 27, 2014, 03:23:40 PM
Has it begun yet...has the END come.....ohhhhhhhhhhhhh da pain ,the agony...THE SADDNESS.....
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Scatter on April 27, 2014, 03:26:14 PM
Every thread is going to contain non monster content. EVERY thread. Terry posted content not directly monster related in that thread. I just read the thing.

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 27, 2014, 03:27:49 PM

I dropped back in for a peak before it's all over and you guys inspired me to go out and pick up some food.

For some reason I got an overwhelming desire for a bucket of Kentucky Fried Kitten.

Will be licking my fingers soon.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 27, 2014, 03:28:20 PM
I dropped back in for a peek before it's all over and you guys inspired me to go out and pick up some food.

For some reason I got an overwhelming desire for a bucket of Kentucky Fried Kitten.

Will be licking my fingers soon.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 27, 2014, 03:29:31 PM

OOPS!

I was trying to correct my spelling of "peek" and posted twice.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Scatter on April 27, 2014, 03:32:23 PM
No worries Adam......it will all be gone soon enough anyway.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 27, 2014, 03:33:53 PM
No worries Adam......it will all be gone soon enough anyway.

As will we all.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 27, 2014, 03:42:49 PM
Every thread is going to contain non monster content. EVERY thread. Terry posted content not directly monster related in that thread. I just read the thing.

OK, we'll just change the name of the place to "Uncle Terry's Fun Time Anything Goes" board, where you can post about whatever strikes your fancy! Hope you like reading about cars, cats, cooking and croquet!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Scatter on April 27, 2014, 03:44:13 PM
Some too soon, some not soon enough.

FRANKENSTEIN!!

(Gotta  keep up with the content requirements.)  ;)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Scatter on April 27, 2014, 03:49:01 PM
OK, we'll just change the name of the place to "Uncle Terry's Fun Time Anything Goes" board, where you can post about whatever strikes your fancy! Hope you like reading about cars, cats, cooking and croquet!

In the General Discussion thread, where it belongs, why the hell not? I'm not arguing with you.......you purists are going to do what you want and that's fine. I'm just looking forward to seeing you guys parse every post. I'm sure that's going to be pretty entertaining in and of itself.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 27, 2014, 03:58:13 PM
In the General Discussion thread, where it belongs, why the hell not? I'm not arguing with you.......you purists are going to do what you want and that's fine. I'm just looking forward to seeing you guys parse every post. I'm sure that's going to be pretty entertaining in and of itself.


That's not gonna happen. But people trying to undermine things by posting

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Frankenstein's_monster_(Boris_Karloff).jpg)

(http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040123/040123_keeshan_vmed_3p.grid-4x2.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Frankenstein's_monster_(Boris_Karloff).jpg)

may find themselves being parsed.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 27, 2014, 03:58:39 PM
In the General Discussion thread . .

Why doesn't somebody just start a General Discussion site? A lot of people seem interested in such a place. Guess nobody wants to do the work. It's easier to turn someone else's site into what they want it to be.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 27, 2014, 03:59:45 PM
Why doesn't somebody just start a General Discussion site? A lot of people seem interested in such a place. Guess nobody wants to do the work. It's easier to turn someone else's site into what they want it to be.

^^^
This!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Scatter on April 27, 2014, 04:11:16 PM
Unless I'm mistaken ( and I'm not), the General Discussion area wasn't forced on you guys. It was your idea. I just think its funny that you're upset that so much General Discussion was going on in the General Discussion area.

 Again, I'm not arguing with you. I'm not here begging you to keep anything. I'm just enjoying the spectacle, and looking forward with interest to the results.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 27, 2014, 04:17:18 PM
Unless I'm mistaken ( and I'm not), the General Discussion area wasn't forced on you guys.

It was supposed to be for the occasional off topic post, not for anything and everything that comes into somebody's head.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Anton Phibes on April 27, 2014, 04:17:37 PM
A Frankenstein and Captain Kangaroo sandwich? Ye Gads! Now that's horror,lol. >:D
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 27, 2014, 04:18:01 PM
Unless I'm mistaken ( and I'm not), the General Discussion area wasn't forced on you guys. It was your idea. I just think its funny that you're upset that so much General Discussion was going on in the General Discussion area.

 Again, I'm not arguing with you. I'm not here begging you to keep anything. I'm just enjoying the spectacle, and looking forward with interest to the results.

We're not upset with anything. And nobody forced it on us. Don't really understand how this qualifies as a spectacle for you, but glad we are keeping you entertained. The reality of the problems you are imagining might arise I think is greatly exaggerated.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Anton Phibes on April 27, 2014, 04:19:35 PM
It was supposed to be for the occasional off topic post, not for anything and everything that comes into somebody's head.


Like this (I kid....but I am probably actually right) :angel:
(http://i.qkme.me/3ts0oi.jpg)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Scatter on April 27, 2014, 04:27:24 PM
We're not upset with anything. And nobody forced it on us. Don't really understand how this qualifies as a spectacle for you, but glad we are keeping you entertained. The reality of the problems you are imagining might arise I think is greatly exaggerated.

The tone of your posts say otherwise. And I never said I was anticipating problems, so your assumptions are flawed. But I am being entertained. Right now, in fact.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 27, 2014, 04:34:05 PM
In the General Discussion thread, where it belongs, why the hell not? I'm not arguing with you.......you purists are going to do what you want and that's fine. I'm just looking forward to seeing you guys parse every post. I'm sure that's going to be pretty entertaining in and of itself.

That's what I meant by "problems".  That's not going to happen.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: packy120353 on April 27, 2014, 05:11:04 PM
I am grateful for this site and the hard work the mods do. I will be glad when it is back to MONSTER specific posts. I have made many friends here and have several ways of keeping in touch. The site is someone else's to do with as they please. When it becomes not about MONSTERS any more I won't come on here. When it ceases to be about the last song I listened to, I really won't care, there are other places I can share this. I just don't get the drama.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Scatter on April 27, 2014, 05:16:25 PM
My reference there is the standard you set in the Pinball thread. If that's the standard you're going to try to enforce, where any reference to anything outside of monsters has to be redacted, that would be amusing to see unfold. Especially since so much of Terry's postings there would fall under the cyber-scissors.

Again, I'm interested to see how it all shakes out.

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 27, 2014, 05:30:31 PM
It was supposed to be for the occasional off topic post, not for anything and everything that comes into somebody's head.
When you've got a close-knit community of members who have been on a site for years, where people feel free to discuss "anything and everything that comes into somebody's head", and you have a section of the forums devoted to that...what's the problem? After talking about whether the latest slasher film reboot will be crap or not, and discussing the wonderful details on a model kit someone has posted photos of, what's wrong with posting about finding your mom's treasure trove of "Li'l Lulu" comics you came across while cleaning out the attic?

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 27, 2014, 05:37:02 PM
I am grateful for this site and the hard work the mods do. I will be glad when it is back to MONSTER specific posts. I have made many friends here and have several ways of keeping in touch. The site is someone else's to do with as they please. When it becomes not about MONSTERS any more I won't come on here. When it ceases to be about the last song I listened to, I really won't care, there are other places I can share this. I just don't get the drama.

"I don't like dramas."

My reference there is the standard you set in the Pinball thread. If that's the standard you're going to try to enforce, where any reference to anything outside of monsters has to be redacted, that would be amusing to see unfold. Especially since so much of Terry's postings there would fall under the cyber-scissors.

Again, I'm interested to see how it all shakes out.



In the future, Scatter, I believe the thread title will be "Monster Pinball Machines," which would not encourage people to post non-Monster Pinball Machines...  Oui or no? 

Granted, I love a lot of the Pinball Machines in that thread, including the Rocky and Bullwinkle one, but I get the fact that this forum can't be a catch-all for memories of a bygone age.  I never even looked into that thread until Hepcat posted a link.  Since the expansion, I have had to limit myself to looking at three or so forums and posting regularly in only one because I didn't have time for everything else.  There's a lot of wonderful stuff here that I have never seen and will never see.  Time is the enemy of every man.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 27, 2014, 05:42:12 PM
I hope the mods and admins remember to save Unknown Primate's "King Kong vs. Frankenstein" thread. I was going to post the link, but General Discussion is already gone. I figured it could moved to Monster Literature, or preserved as read-only.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: packy120353 on April 27, 2014, 05:48:49 PM
Just speculation, but I could see where it was maybe getting too extensive to keep a handle on and an alternative to scratching it altogether was to pare it down. I don't know - I don't do any of the work - but if that's the case, more power to them.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 27, 2014, 06:00:13 PM
Zirock that one will move to modern monster toys. On my way to a goblin concert but tomorrow or something.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Wich2 on April 27, 2014, 06:11:05 PM
>Why doesn't somebody just start a General Discussion site? A lot of people seem interested in such a place. Guess nobody wants to do the work. It's easier to turn someone else's site into what they want it to be.<

Mike, with respect that seems to be precisely what you and Bobby are doing here, because this site WAS evidently what most members wanted it to be, and that is being changed without a vote.

The snark thrown at folks in this thread who are just trying to defend a concept of general discussion among friends is sad; the level of insult that has fallen to from a "Moderate-or" makes that title inaccurate.

This silliness approaches an attempt at thought policing, and it is most emphatically NOT in the spirit of the UMA that I joined many long years ago.

-Ex-OotMah Craig
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: frankenstein73 on April 27, 2014, 06:49:40 PM
There is plenty of snark coming from your side of the fence too.

And it IS their site to make how they see fit. Not ours, we are merely allowed to post here as long as we follow the rules of this forum.

Thought policing? Are you kidding me? This isn't 1984!  No ones taking away any rights from you. No one is holding a gun to your head, if you don't like the way this site is ran you have every right to not post here. Then your thoughts cannot be policed.

Why keep arguing? Its done......make the best out of it or move on.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 27, 2014, 06:50:14 PM
That's what I meant by "problems".  That's not going to happen.

And it wasn't happening before either! How often were posters hijacking threads? More specifically, when did I ever post anything outside the topic of a thread?

 :o
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 27, 2014, 06:55:11 PM
Stuff like Rocky and Bullwinkle. There's lots of other non monster stuff in there.

Which at the time wasn't off-topic.





Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 27, 2014, 06:59:13 PM
But now it is so it is gone.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 27, 2014, 07:02:06 PM
Re "problems" I can't even figure out why you would say any of that.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 27, 2014, 07:04:20 PM
And it IS their site to make how they see fit.

Sure, but the expectation that the rules wouldn't be changed in the middle of the game is a very reasonable one.

Not ours, we are merely allowed to post here as long as we follow the rules of this forum.

Allowed!  ::) May I point out to you that without posters there is no forum? Without customers there is no business, and we're the customers here.



Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: zombiehorror on April 27, 2014, 07:12:35 PM
I'm fine with trimming the fat.  Some topics I was wondering about; The Misfits (horror punk band), Haunted Mansion-the ride and records (and other dark rides), horror lps/records, Rob Zombie....and Halloween (which thankfully seems to be being preserved.

I'd post links but I'm on my Nook and besides if a particular topic isn't rescued it could always be restarted...if it still has a fitting home.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 27, 2014, 07:12:49 PM
Re "problems" I can't even figure out why you would say any of that.

You implied that you wouldn't have any future problems keeping threads on topic. Well there have not been any such problems in the past.

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 27, 2014, 07:21:13 PM
Exactly

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: frankenstein73 on April 27, 2014, 07:22:06 PM
Yes we are allowed.
No doubt about it.
If people get out of line they get warned if they keep it up they are banned. We may be customers but that does not give us the right to act however we want. Although unfortunately it seems many people believe that on the internet and in real life.  A forum has rules, they also have the right to change them however and whenever they see fit. Yes its possible that if enough people get disgruntled the site may die off. Or it may thrive. Time will tell.
 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: frankenstein73 on April 27, 2014, 07:23:44 PM
I for one am going to do my best to make it thrive.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Gillfan on April 27, 2014, 07:32:01 PM
I post in the GENERAL DISCUSSION a  great deal and i apologize if I was straying off topic.
The other day I posted a statue that reminded me of a zombie.
When I saw it I thought to myself "Hey, this looks like a zombie, I gotta post it on UMA"
If that was wrong of me...well, it was an innocent mistake.

I'm curious how the new version of the site will work out. I've enjoyed connecting with many members here and hope we can continue.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Dr. Blasko on April 27, 2014, 07:52:33 PM
The members board was my favorite place to get to know people. Oh well, guess my presence here will decrease. Have fun guys.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: RICKH on April 27, 2014, 08:37:55 PM
I guess I have mixed feelings about the changes, however I think that the overall result will be positive.  I like the idea of the site being more monstercentric (!).  I will miss the glimpses into the lives of some of my fellow monster kids.  I hope the drama will be lessened due to the absence of some of the forums.  Realistically, I'm sure there will be other occurrences of drama in the existing forums. I appreciate the work of the moderators, I think they do an excellent, albeit thankless, job.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Anton Phibes on April 27, 2014, 08:40:29 PM
I'm fine with trimming the fat.  Some topics I was wondering about; The Misfits (horror punk band), Haunted Mansion-the ride and records (and other dark rides), horror lps/records, Rob Zombie....and Halloween (which thankfully seems to be being preserved.

I'd post links but I'm on my Nook and besides if a particular topic isn't rescued it could always be restarted...if it still has a fitting home.

See---that's where everyone has a differing view on what's topical and what isn't.  Alice Cooper, Kiss, Rob Zombie, Misfits----I mean: they all obviously LIKE horror themselves. But they certainly arent monsters or  monster movies. They're just people like you and me who like monsters. Kirk Hammett i could understand a discussion about: He collects monsters.

But when FM went into the realm of having covers dedicated to Alice Cooper and Kiss( back before/right around the time Ferry and Forry had a falling out:),I was left scratching my head. And stopped buying the magazine altogether. So---this task could prove monumental depending on how rigid the moderation is intended to be....because if someone views a thread as "not monstery enuff'"I suppose it could vanish.

that's why I asked about LIS, ST and SW......I didnt want to be put on probation or banned. But a clarification was made.

To me (and I could be wrong), it just seems as if they want threads like "what's your favorite flavor of Jelly Belly?" to cease, as well as some of the arguing/bickering that tends to follow such hot button issues as the aforementioned jelly belly flavors. :angel:


For the record: I don't eat kittens. But when I was unemployed, I did make jokes about fattening up my cat for Thanksgiving one year. I dont eat humans either: but  I have joked about that as well. But please: don't eat kittens. It's sad. :'(
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 27, 2014, 08:44:05 PM
The Haunted Mansion, Halloween, and Horror LPs should definitely be considered on-topic.  They are integral to the Monster Kid experience. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Anton Phibes on April 27, 2014, 08:45:09 PM
Absolutely. The Ghost of Verne Langdon, Vincent Price, and several green grinning ghosts demand it. 8)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 27, 2014, 08:56:55 PM
So, you never tell jokes, because there's always someone who's going to take offence?

I believe that I tell jokes and try not to offend. I haven't posted any 'fat', 'sexual', 'ethic' or anything that might offend or hurt anyone's feelings.  I sincerely apologize if I have unintentionally offended anyone.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 27, 2014, 08:59:27 PM
The secret to good roast kitten is having great dipping sauces!

That's why I don't eat Texas Chinese food or BBQ.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 27, 2014, 09:00:40 PM
We may be customers but that does not give us the right to act however we want. Although unfortunately it seems many people believe that on the internet and in real life.

Ain't that the truth! The internet (and those little thumb exercisers) are turning people into real life "trolls"!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 27, 2014, 09:01:08 PM
That's why I don't eat Texas Chinese food or BBQ.

How is that not an ethnic joke?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Anton Phibes on April 27, 2014, 09:03:23 PM
Stay away from the Sawyer's chili whilst in Texas. Even though it gets rave reviews from Hannibal Lecter. :angel:
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: zombiehorror on April 27, 2014, 09:03:53 PM
See---that's where everyone has a differing view on what's topical and what isn't.  Alice Cooper, Kiss, Rob Zombie, Misfits----I mean: they all obviously LIKE horror themselves. But they certainly arent monsters or  monster movies. They're just people like you and me who like monsters.

The Misfits and Rob Zombie's music is definitely horror/monster related (not to mention Rob's videos and stageshow) but I've never considered KISS to be a horror/monster band.  Both them and Alice do have some horror related songs and Alice's stageshow is run like a classic spookshow though.  That being said none of them really need to be a part of this forum.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Dr. Blasko on April 27, 2014, 09:04:11 PM
How is that not an ethnic joke?

You beat me to it lol
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 27, 2014, 09:04:41 PM
OK, we'll just change the name of the place to "Uncle Terry's Fun Time Anything Goes" board, where you can post about whatever strikes your fancy! Hope you like reading about cars, cats, cooking and croquet!

What no curling?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 27, 2014, 09:05:44 PM
Stay away from the Sawyer's chili whilst in Texas. Even though it gets rave reviews from Hannibal Lecter. :angel:

"It Takes All Kinds of Critters To Make Farmer Vincent's Fritters>"
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Anton Phibes on April 27, 2014, 09:09:01 PM
"It Takes All Kinds of Critters To Make Farmer Vincent's Fritters>"


Have Mercy! ;)
(http://static.npaper-wehaa.com/pub-files/12801498384c4d894ea427f/pub/Syracusenewtimes-01-25-2011/lib/12960027074d3f6e931d0f6.jpg)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 27, 2014, 09:09:57 PM
Unless I'm mistaken ( and I'm not), the General Discussion area wasn't forced on you guys. It was your idea. I just think its funny that you're upset that so much General Discussion was going on in the General Discussion area.

 Again, I'm not arguing with you. I'm not here begging you to keep anything. I'm just enjoying the spectacle, and looking forward with interest to the results.


Agreed! (http://westieconnect.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/popcorn.gif)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 27, 2014, 09:14:16 PM
The tone of your posts say otherwise. And I never said I was anticipating problems, so your assumptions are flawed. But I am being entertained. Right now, in fact.


Me too ... granted this was a bit better ....

(http://www.jeffs60s.com/images/monster_movie_tv.jpg)

But nothing's perfect.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 27, 2014, 09:23:54 PM
The members board was my favorite place to get to know people. Oh well, guess my presence here will decrease. Have fun guys.


Keep in touch ... and don't be


(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llyrnohW8s1qkeg7do1_500.jpg)

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: horrorhunter on April 27, 2014, 09:25:07 PM
The Misfits and Rob Zombie's music is definitely horror/monster related (not to mention Rob's videos and stageshow) but I've never considered KISS to be a horror/monster band.  Both them and Alice do have some horror related songs and Alice's stageshow is run like a classic spookshow though.  That being said none of them really need to be a part of this forum.
Alice Cooper was in Monster Dog as well as having a cameo appearance in Prince Of Darkness. He had Vincent Price do narration for Black Widow. Some of his songs include Ballad Of Dwight Frye, Teenage Frankenstein, Feed My Frankenstein, The Man Behind The Mask (Jason V.), Prince Of Darkness, and Black JuJu, among many other songs which have specific horror links. Alice Cooper is all monstered up.  cl:)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 27, 2014, 09:28:06 PM
How is that not an ethnic joke?

I apologize .. I do dislike all Texas teams and having lived in Texas and can certainly add that I don't like Texas pizza either.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 27, 2014, 09:30:54 PM
I apologize .. I do dislike all Texas teams and having lived in Texas and can certainly add that I don't like Texas pizza either.

And I did not really eat Kentucky Fried Kitten for lunch - too stringy.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: zombiehorror on April 27, 2014, 09:39:54 PM
Alice Cooper was in Monster Dog as well as having a cameo appearance in Prince Of Darkness. He had Vincent Price do narration for Black Widow. Some of his songs include Ballad Of Dwight Frye, Teenage Frankenstein, Feed My Frankenstein, The Man Behind The Mask (Jason V.), Prince Of Darkness, and Black JuJu, among many other songs which have specific horror links. Alice Cooper is all monstered up.  cl:)

Yep.  Notice I didn't completely discount Alice out, only KISS.   ;D
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Gillfan on April 27, 2014, 10:16:21 PM
The Misfits and Rob Zombie's music is definitely horror/monster related (not to mention Rob's videos and stageshow) but I've never considered KISS to be a horror/monster band.  Both them and Alice do have some horror related songs and Alice's stageshow is run like a classic spookshow though.  That being said none of them really need to be a part of this forum.

This, I feel is where the water gets muddy. Kiss' film does feature monsters and Don Post masks, so I can see a discussion on masks or films leading to Kiss. Likewise, I think for many of us who grew up in the 70's Kiss make a number of Halloween special appearances that could be remembered fondly and they were Copper (I think) Halloween costumes and had make-up sets devoted to them.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: The Batman on April 27, 2014, 10:31:05 PM
Often once that people discover they enjoy each other, they like to discuss other things they have in common, to enjoy their connection & increase their contact with each other on other levels. They find other ways to enjoy their online friends.













Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 27, 2014, 10:32:40 PM
I don't think the intention of all of this is to prevent discussions from developing in a natural manner.  Rather, the purpose is to stop off-topic threads in the first place.

If you want to make a post that outlines all of the Don Post masks that appear in the Kiss film, I don't think that's a problem.  If people tangentially discuss Kiss as part of the larger on-topic discussion, I don't think that's a problem.  The issue arises when someone starts a topic totally unrelated to Monsters (a la the latest episode of How I Met Your Mother) and the whole discussion revolves around that. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 27, 2014, 10:35:21 PM
OK, we'll just change the name of the place to "Uncle Terry's Fun Time Anything Goes" board, where you can post about whatever strikes your fancy! Hope you like reading about cars, cats, cooking and croquet!
Mike, I think you may be the coolest of the moderators on this board, though I've had only small interaction with each of you.  I think you get to a good point, unintentionally.  Here's my thought: I get a few PMs every month, I got two today (I no longer receive email notices from UMA for at least a month, but I come here daily and sometimes see I have a message).  These messages are often from brand new members, people with 1 or NO posts.  It occured to me what you all must be aware of.  People don't come here to talk about croquet cats or cars.  They come looking for information about the Universal Monsters, monster movies, Universal Monster related toys and toymakers like Mattel, Ideal, Remco, Aurora, AHI, Mego, MPC, Jaymar... once persons discover and join the UMA, they probably, usually, later, find common interests among monster lovers, interests that may have nothing to do with monsters, but such persons feel comfortable sharing. 

There is plenty of snark coming from your side of the fence too.
And it IS their site to make how they see fit. Not ours, we are merely allowed to post here as long as we follow the rules of this forum.
Thought policing? Are you kidding me? This isn't 1984!  No ones taking away any rights from you. No one is holding a gun to your head, if you don't like the way this site is ran you have every right to not post here. Then your thoughts cannot be policed.
Why keep arguing? Its done......make the best out of it or move on.
I'm sorry, Frankenstein73, but your posts in this thread, particularly this post, have come across a bit cloying.  Loyalty is a wonderful thing, but no one wants to be a creature.  Wich2 has been anything but snarky, though he had basically rebuked me in this thread, and rightly.  I misunderstood how my words were construed (oh crap, there's that word again).  I point this out because I think Wich2 is an honorable person.  I respect anyone who has standards or values. 

That's why I don't eat Texas Chinese food or BBQ.
Flower, thank you for the laugh.  That was funny; you're kind to apologize for it, but I get it's less about the Chinese than it is about Texas.  Though in American culture we are a bit horrified by the things they eat in China (like dog brain soup) I do think your offense at the initial joke was unfair, it was just a joke after all.  And Toyranch's remark after all that was kind of funny too, but rude.  Sorry Toyranch
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 27, 2014, 10:53:59 PM
Jeeze! I can't even keep up with this thread, anymore, and since my contributions have mostly been of the "grumpy old man" variety, I think I'll go post in the "Name This Monster Movie" folder.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: carbon on April 27, 2014, 11:20:01 PM
I hope the mods and admins remember to save Unknown Primate's "King Kong vs. Frankenstein" thread. I was going to post the link, but General Discussion is already gone. I figured it could moved to Monster Literature, or preserved as read-only.

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Ya see, this is why I posted the link in reply #226 about using archive.org to preserve the threads you like so they'll always be accessible online and the archived urls could be shared here. Everyone knew there was a housecleaning going on, and cleaning a house means tossing things out. If folks really wanted certain threads preserved they could have preserved them themselves in less than a minute. No point haranguing the mods to save things each person could have saved on their own.

Frankly I'm a little surprised at some of the things that are being saved here. The read-only items in particular are a category the mods should consider relegating to the archive website themselves. Why waste space on stuff that could be cleared from the forum, stored and made accessible on archive.org's dime?! Create a UMA "Archives" page that lists the urls where the webpages can be viewed and everyone except the chronic complainers ends up happy. No different than if the urls were for archived files stored on the UMA site, but they're not because it's time for spring cleaning! Bottom line: If you're gonna clean house, clean house.

As an aside, there's a tie-in here with the Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoon mentioned elsewhere in this thread. The archive.org website has named their search engine the Wayback Machine, a name derived from a contraption Mr. Peabody used on the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show. Guess that reveals that the folks at archive.org are imbued with the same sort of geekiness as most monsterkids. It's a perfect fit!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Dr. Blasko on April 27, 2014, 11:24:53 PM
I don't think the intention of all of this is to prevent discussions from developing in a natural manner.  Rather, the purpose is to stop off-topic threads in the first place.

If you want to make a post that outlines all of the Don Post masks that appear in the Kiss film, I don't think that's a problem.  If people tangentially discuss Kiss as part of the larger on-topic discussion, I don't think that's a problem.  The issue arises when someone starts a topic totally unrelated to Monsters (a la the latest episode of How I Met Your Mother) and the whole discussion revolves around that.

Except I have never seen that happen except in the proper boards. Literally every message board I have been part of (and that is a lot because of when I grew up) has a dedicated section to topics outside of its main area. I've been part of a Wrestling action figure message board for ten years because of this. Things go off topic? The mods move or lock the thread and it's no longer a problem. As someone else said, people start to get to know one another and want to discuss other things they have in common. Oops, no dedicated board to do that? Guess I'll move my conversation to a different website altogether. I'm not saying abandon monsters, God no, but by eliminating the sections you are BEGGING for off topic conversations in wrong sections and new members to be turned off.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Fester on April 27, 2014, 11:39:08 PM
 
I'm sorry, Frankenstein73, but your posts in this thread, particularly this post, have come across a bit cloying.  Loyalty is a wonderful thing, but no one wants to be a creature.  Wich2 has been anything but snarky, though he had basically rebuked me in this thread, and rightly.  I misunderstood how my words were construed (oh crap, there's that word again).  I point this out because I think Wich2 is an honorable person.  I respect anyone who has standards or values. 
Flower, thank you for the laugh.  That was funny; you're kind to apologize for it, but I get it's less about the Chinese than it is about Texas.  Though in American culture we are a bit horrified by the things they eat in China (like dog brain soup) I do think your offense at the initial joke was unfair, it was just a joke after all.  And Toyranch's remark after all that was kind of funny too, but rude.  Sorry Toyranch.

I dropped by to see what the NEW & IMPROVED  UMA (tm) looked like.  Well, there certainly won't be any room for non-approved non-monster posts.  The one exception seems to be this thread, which will probably be locked and/or deleted soon.
Allhallowsday: you are too much of a gentleman. Cloying? Frankenstein73's posts were positively ass kissing.
And Flower: watch out!  Don't go insultin' TEXAS too much.  Toyranch was going to a Goblin concert.  And they were in Dallas tonight.  You might get yourself banned . . .
The few years I spent as a member of this forum were, for the most part, pretty rewarding. But the events of the last couple of weeks has convinced me that my decision to leave was the right one.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 27, 2014, 11:41:56 PM
There are variations on Texas BBQ. Central Texas BBQ doesn't use sauce.

(http://roadsandkingdoms.com/uploads/2012/12/Lockhart-605x403.jpg)

Kitten on a spit, would need sauce though.

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 27, 2014, 11:46:21 PM
Except I have never seen that happen except in the proper boards... I'm not saying abandon monsters, God no, but by eliminating the sections you are BEGGING for off topic conversations in wrong sections and new members to be turned off.

Blasko, Blasko, Blasko...  You have got to be kidding me!  The UMA is renowned for tangential conversation in topical boards.  I have been party to dozens of such conversations in the Monster threads.  And they are loads of fun.  The mods here are not overbearing about tangents nor are they trigger-happy when it comes to deleting or locking threads.  They don't shut a thread down simply because it has veered off-course -- unless it gets ugly.  But between the crazy progression of on-topic threads and the off-topic forums, I think it's become too much to maintain.  I don't see how it would scare off new members.  It didn't scare you off, as I seem to recall you being involved in some of those fun tangents when you joined (though I cannot guarantee that you were, but I seem to recall you being around!).

I have been part of Draconian forums where any off-topic discussion in topical threads is strictly forbidden.  Posts are deleted, threads are locked, members are banned.  Needless to say, I don't frequent them.  If that were to happen here, I too would leave.  However, knowing what I know of the UMA, I don't foresee that drastic of a change. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Dr. Blasko on April 28, 2014, 12:05:47 AM
Blasko, Blasko, Blasko...  You have got to be kidding me!  The UMA is renowned for tangential conversation in topical boards.  I have been party to dozens of such conversations in the Monster threads.  And they are loads of fun.  The mods here are not overbearing about tangents nor are they trigger-happy when it comes to deleting or locking threads.  They don't shut a thread down simply because it has veered off-course -- unless it gets ugly.  But between the crazy progression of on-topic threads and the off-topic forums, I think it's become too much to maintain.  I don't see how it would scare off new members.  It didn't scare you off, as I seem to recall you being involved in some of those fun tangents when you joined (though I cannot guarantee that you were, but I seem to recall you being around!).

I have been part of Draconian forums where any off-topic discussion in topical threads is strictly forbidden.  Posts are deleted, threads are locked, members are banned.  Needless to say, I don't frequent them.  If that were to happen here, I too would leave.  However, knowing what I know of the UMA, I don't foresee that drastic of a change.

I'm not saying it NEVER happens, but I was referring more to off topic thread starters than replies in the thread. Either way, it will be a bigger problem now that there is no right place to put those discussions. If they don't want off topic discussion then man up and do some moderating and move threads, delete posts etc rather than thinking taking away the sections where such topics are on topic will serve a purpose. I get the idea of eliminating off topic posts, but if I have nowhere to share something, now no matter where I post it will be off topic. The under, I'd say 35 MAYBE?, crowd is used to message boards having an off topic section to talk about things other than the boards main purpose. People here lament the younger generation's lack of love for monsters, yet they're about to be alienated. They would much rather go to another board and start a monster discussion than go somewhere that the conversation is strictly limited.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 28, 2014, 12:19:09 AM
I'm not saying it NEVER happens, but I was referring more to off topic thread starters than replies in the thread. Either way, it will be a bigger problem now that there is no right place to put those discussions. If they don't want off topic discussion then man up and do some moderating and move threads, delete posts etc rather than thinking taking away the sections where such topics are on topic will serve a purpose. I get the idea of eliminating off topic posts, but if I have nowhere to share something, now no matter where I post it will be off topic. The under, I'd say 35 MAYBE?, crowd is used to message boards having an off topic section to talk about things other than the boards main purpose. People here lament the younger generation's lack of love for monsters, yet they're about to be alienated. They would much rather go to another board and start a monster discussion than go somewhere that the conversation is strictly limited.

No, it won't be a problem for us. If you don't want to post at the UMA anymore, then you shouldn't.  If you want to post about monsters at the UMA, you are more than welcome to do that. If threads wander off topic sometimes, that is as it has always been, and will continue.  If someone seems to be intentionally leading threads off topic just to be disruptive, they will be asked to stop. If they continue, they will be banned.  But I am talking about people who are intentionally trying to be disruptive, not people who are carrying on a normal conversation.

What does that mean?  Don't overthink it.  We are not going to be scrutinizing every thread or post. We aren't going to be changing our moderation style. We have not made any new rules, we just got rid of some forums. But trying to be disruptive will warrant a ban. We have not banned very many people over the years, aside from spammers. Maybe a dozen or so? 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: frankenstein73 on April 28, 2014, 12:21:37 AM
Allhallowsday, because I feel strongly about something the opposite of what you do does not make me a "creature".
And i will not hide behind words here so they cant be misconstrued. 
You come off quite rude and as a bit of a baby.     My opinion of course.
Yes I am behind this decision of cutting out the non monster boards 100%. I havent posted here in over a year because this forum I felt had lost its way.  It is too bad because Many of the threads I have participated and enjoyed are being taken away because of the way people have handled themselves as of late.
Now if they had decided to take out all the monster threads instead, then I would have simply left, and not hung around just to stir things up.
I am merely stating the truth, its not your forum, its not my forum they can do what they wish to it. 
It just so happens that I agree with it and you don't.
Feel free to rebut if you wish, but I will not see it as I will be joining my fellow monster  friends in more constructive thread's.  I hope everyone here can get past this so they can enjoy it with us.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Dr. Blasko on April 28, 2014, 12:26:15 AM
No, it won't be a problem for us. If you don't want to post at the UMA anymore, then you shouldn't.  If you want to post about monsters at the UMA, you are more than welcome to do that. If threads wander off topic sometimes, that is as it has always been, and will continue.  If someone seems to be intentionally leading threads off topic just to be disruptive, they will be asked to stop. If they continue, they will be banned.  But I am talking about people who are intentionally trying to be disruptive, not people who are carrying on a normal conversation.

What does that mean?  Don't overthink it.  We are not going to be scrutinizing every thread or post. We aren't going to be changing our moderation style. We have not made any new rules, we just got rid of some forums. But trying to be disruptive will warrant a ban. We have not banned very many people over the years, aside from spammers. Maybe a dozen or so?

If it is not a problem them there is no need to get rid of the sub boards. The fact that so many people are going back and forth, right or wrong, shows it may not be the best decision and there's no need to rock the boat so to speak with no cause.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 28, 2014, 12:30:57 AM
If it is not a problem them there is no need to get rid of the sub boards. The fact that so many people are going back and forth, right or wrong, shows it may not be the best decision and there's no need to rock the boat so to speak with no cause.

Well, that is your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it. Just as you are entitled to start your own monster forum and have all kinds of off topic forums. Here, we are not going to have them any longer.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Dr. Blasko on April 28, 2014, 12:33:15 AM
Well, that is your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it. Just as you are entitled to start your own monster forum and have all kinds of off topic forums. Here, we are not going to have them any longer.

And hey fair enough, you're absolutely right, it just seems out of left field and from an engagement perspective for new members, a bit perplexing.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 28, 2014, 12:34:46 AM
Ya see, this is why I posted the link in reply #226 about using archive.org to preserve the threads you like so they'll always be accessible online and the archived urls could be shared here. Everyone knew there was a housecleaning going on, and cleaning a house means tossing things out. If folks really wanted certain threads preserved they could have preserved them themselves in less than a minute. No point haranguing the mods to save things each person could have saved on their own.
Except, I didn't think about that particular thread until after "General Discussion" was already removed. When I went to get a link or archive it myself, it was gone.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Dr. Blasko on April 28, 2014, 12:37:02 AM
Except, I didn't think about that particular thread until after "General Discussion" was already removed. When I went to get a link or archive it myself, it was gone.

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I didn't even know this was happening until I logged in today and saw the boards gone. I would recommend in the future pinning announcements so they can be seen on every board (if this system allows that. I know proboards can, but I'm not sure with this service).
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Dr. Blasko on April 28, 2014, 12:40:53 AM
So turns out it isn't gone forever. You can still access the deleted boards by going through your likes. You can even make posts :P good for anyone who has something that needs recovering.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 28, 2014, 12:40:55 AM
Except, I didn't think about that particular thread until after "General Discussion" was already removed. When I went to get a link or archive it myself, it was gone.

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http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=23702.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=23702.0)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 28, 2014, 12:50:26 AM
I didn't even know this was happening until I logged in today and saw the boards gone. I would recommend in the future pinning announcements so they can be seen on every board (if this system allows that. I know proboards can, but I'm not sure with this service).

All of the forums that were removed had announcements pinned to the top of them, for a week.  Whether or not you deem that sufficient, that is what was done.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 28, 2014, 12:52:21 AM
So turns out it isn't gone forever. You can still access the deleted boards by going through your likes. You can even make posts :P good for anyone who has something that needs recovering.

There may be some of that until the tables are re-optimized.  They are not all gone forever yet because we intend to move some threads to Gen Disc and bring it back out as a read-only archive.  Then the rest will be gone for good.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Dr. Blasko on April 28, 2014, 01:11:47 AM
All of the forums that were removed had announcements pinned to the top of them, for a week.  Whether or not you deem that sufficient, that is what was done.

Are you sure? I never noticed the announcement in any of those boards. Not sure what the attitude is about, but ok.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 28, 2014, 01:13:58 AM
Are you sure? I never noticed the announcement in any of those boards. Not sure what the attitude is about, but ok.

Yes, I am absolutely certain.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 28, 2014, 03:20:35 AM
[url]http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=23702.0[/url] ([url]http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=23702.0[/url])

That's not the thread. This one was UP's attempt to tell the story Willis O'Brien and Toho Studios never got to tell: "King Kong vs. Frankenstein." It was in General Discussion. It was illustrated, as well as telling the story of the proposed film. Here are some of his illustrations.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/28/puta8a5e.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/28/asuge8y3.jpg)

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Dr. Blasko on April 28, 2014, 04:44:12 AM
That's not the thread. This one was UP's attempt to tell the story Willis O'Brien and Toho Studios never got to tell: "King Kong vs. Frankenstein." It was in General Discussion. It was illustrated, as well as telling the story of the proposed film. Here are some of his illustrations.
([url]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/28/puta8a5e.jpg[/url])([url]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/28/asuge8y3.jpg[/url])

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I think I found it bud

http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=21417.msg344005#msg344005 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=21417.msg344005#msg344005)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 28, 2014, 04:54:32 AM
I think I found it bud

[url]http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=21417.msg344005#msg344005[/url] ([url]http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=21417.msg344005#msg344005[/url])

Bingo! That's the one!

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: BARON TIMOTHEUS BGG on April 28, 2014, 05:09:20 AM
HALLOOO UMA...
   Uh, Strangely, the "REPLY" Button is missing, in the LIMERICK Section!
SO:

"HELP... I need somebody,
HELP!... Not just anybody,
HELP!... You know I need Someone,"
... Who can fix the Problem!

Thanking you, in Advance, for Your Kindly HELP!
I Remain,
EXANIMO EVERNOW,
BARON TIMOTHEUS, B.G.G.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 28, 2014, 05:15:04 AM
HALLOOO UMA...
   Uh, Strangely, the "REPLY" Button is missing, in the LIMERICK Section!...

The "REPLY" Button is missing from quite a few threads.  I think the Moderators are deciding which of them will stay (what portions might be edited) and where they might be relocated.

The button is currently missing from the Name the Monster Movie thread as well.  Hope it comes back, and soon.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 28, 2014, 05:48:14 AM
Often once that people discover they enjoy each other, they like to discuss other things they have in common, to enjoy their connection & increase their contact with each other on other levels. They find other ways to enjoy their online friends.

I have to say that I've always enjoyed all your posts and images and totally agree with you too.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 28, 2014, 05:59:45 AM
HALLOOO UMA...
   Uh, Strangely, the "REPLY" Button is missing, in the LIMERICK Section!
SO:

"HELP... I need somebody,
HELP!... Not just anybody,
HELP!... You know I need Someone,"
... Who can fix the Problem!

Thanking you, in Advance, for Your Kindly HELP!
I Remain,
EXANIMO EVERNOW,
BARON TIMOTHEUS, B.G.G.

So sad!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 28, 2014, 06:47:26 AM
I understand many of the issues, you lock one thread and the same person starts the thread again using a different title, etc ... I guess that there are too many issues to really get into but once again ... it's not up to me and it's a matter of time.

From the posts in this thread .. some members and all the mods thought that something was 'broken' and others didn't think that anything was 'broken' and a few thought that maybe something might be 'broken' .. a couple of members are totally confused and 'Like' both sides of this discussion.

It's begun .... either a new beginning or the beginning of the end, only time will tell.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 28, 2014, 07:32:23 AM
The reply button issue should be fixed. Please let me know if you run into any threads where it is not.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: jimm on April 28, 2014, 08:11:26 AM
Big fan of UMA since yahoo, though not of the yahoo groups format at all. I hope a few of you enjoyed me sharing my auto and sports collectibles thru my OT threads, but in honesty, I can post those elsewhere. I hope there will be a spot for Monsters in Cars stuff like Roth, Odd Rods, etc in the new UMA, as I'll always come here for my monster fix.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: carbon on April 28, 2014, 08:21:57 AM
Bingo! That's the one!

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Unknown Primate's "King Kong vs. Frankenstein" thread has now been preserved in its entirety on the archive.org website, so even if it disappears completely from this forum you'll still be able to access it. You can find it here: http://tinyurl.com/KINGKVSFR (http://tinyurl.com/KINGKVSFR)

Also, bigbud's "Give Me a Gun or Somethin'! The Monster's At the Door!" thread, which has also been mentioned here, is archived at http://tinyurl.com/GMAGOS (http://tinyurl.com/GMAGOS)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: jimm on April 28, 2014, 08:29:53 AM
Nice work!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: jimm on April 28, 2014, 08:32:20 AM
Curious if the SciFi collectibles thread might be spared??
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: carbon on April 28, 2014, 08:42:13 AM
For some reason the url for the archived Kong vs. Frank thread I posted above is giving a 'Not Found' message. Try this one instead:

http://tinyurl.com/KKVSFRANK (http://tinyurl.com/KKVSFRANK)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 28, 2014, 08:57:36 AM
While it's perfectly fine to archive stuff via the Wayback Machine, we have repeatedly said since the very beginning that monster content will be saved. Not every mention of a monster in a non-monster thread, but monster stuff is not going away.

Also, some other non-monster toys threads, and of course Nutty Mads, Roth, etc.  These questions have been asked and answered a number of times, and consistently we have said they will be saved.

You can find that thread in archived version with some of the artwork missing, or you can find it here, in complete state:
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=21417.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=21417.0)

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 28, 2014, 09:04:01 AM
That said, I don't know if or when Photobucket might prune old accounts that haven't had any uploads, but it's entirely possible that they could remove UP's photobucket at some point, causing the images to disappear. 

As such, here is a link to Mark's bucket. Please go forth and save any images that they might delete.

http://s363.photobucket.com/user/TheUnknownPrimate/library/?sort=3&page=1 (http://s363.photobucket.com/user/TheUnknownPrimate/library/?sort=3&page=1)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: jimm on April 28, 2014, 09:08:06 AM
Curious if the SciFi collectibles thread might be spared??

Ah I see it is in vintage monster toys now :)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 28, 2014, 09:17:08 AM
...Allhallowsday: you are too much of a gentleman. Cloying? Frankenstein73's posts were positively ass kissing...

Allhallowsday, because I feel strongly about something the opposite of what you do does not make me a "creature".
And i will not hide behind words here so they cant be misconstrued. 
You come off quite rude and as a bit of a baby.     My opinion of course...
Feeling the opposite of anyone does not make you a "creature".  Another member stated I was too much of a gentleman because I used the word "cloying" instead of "ass kissing".  Kissing ass makes one a creature.  Apparently, Fester has a point. 
I am so looking forward to you, Frankenstein73, not reading or responding to this post. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 28, 2014, 09:45:04 AM
You guys, stop it.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Big Bad Wolf on April 28, 2014, 11:27:32 AM
I haven't checked in here much lately so this came as a surprise to me today. I can see the point about removing some of the non-monster stuff but I feel like there should still be a General Discussion area. I just think it's a good place to build up the sense of community and family. I know I'm not the most active but I can tell the loss of these other areas of the forum has really affected some people. To me a General Discussion section just makes sense in any forum, for that very reason. People can bond there in ways that they probably can't in sections that are specifically dedicated to discussion of monsters.

I do feel bad that some feel like leaving. But, that's their decision I guess. I don't think my input would change any minds. I'm not exactly a fixture of this place, am I? :P

I just hope that somehow, either in spite of these changes or because of them, everyone's able to get along. I hope anyone who got bored will start to have fun again, and anyone who was enjoying this place the way it was can continue to enjoy it now. Who knows? Maybe somehow we can keep that sense of family and community alive.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: 60sThru80s on April 28, 2014, 11:30:45 AM
I'm very late to this thread, and I sincerely hope that I haven't contributed to the reasons for the decision. I'd been dormant a very long time and a few weeks ago I started posting hugely in non-monster sections and resuscitating very old non-monster threads and kept them going when they probably should have been left buried. I've read your assurances that it is not due to any one member, but I hope I wasn't too much a part of the Collective.

Somewhat selfishly, for the past six years I've been more a reader than a poster. And because of that I haven't spent the time establishing the family aspect you've all shared, and the bonds that come from within a close Army platoon. I do remember the original reason I signed on. I signed on to track down my own childhood monster memories and try to help others recapture theirs (or help other members reconcile their childhood monster-memory conflicts). So I appreciate the decision that's been taken.

I think it often becomes a question of content vs. ego. The one category missing for the past few years has been the forum called "Dump Your Egos Here." On message boards, of whatever kind, it seems more important to the ego to make a public declaration of imagined indignities, when all we need is the ancient phrase "take it outside, boys" (i.e. private message or email). If a member's only concern is the number of Posts and the number of Likes, and "who is on my side and who is on your side," they're probably in the wrong place.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Hepcat on April 28, 2014, 11:55:10 AM
...a few weeks ago I started posting hugely in non-monster sections and resuscitating very old non-monster threads and kept them going when they probably should have been left buried.

Not true. I was happy to see many of those threads resuscitated.

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: horrorhunter on April 28, 2014, 02:32:37 PM
I think it often becomes a question of content vs. ego. The one category missing for the past few years has been the forum called "Dump Your Egos Here." On message boards, of whatever kind, it seems more important to the ego to make a public declaration of imagined indignities, when all we need is the ancient phrase "take it outside, boys" (i.e. private message or email). If a member's only concern is the number of Posts and the number of Likes, and "who is on my side and who is on your side," they're probably in the wrong place.
Good point. Casual enjoyment while discussing monster related subjects is the intended purpose for UMA. It's a cool place to hang out for awhile...but it's just a message board.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 28, 2014, 05:56:59 PM
The under, I'd say 35 MAYBE?, crowd is used to message boards having an off topic section to talk about things other than the boards main purpose. People here lament the younger generation's lack of love for monsters, yet they're about to be alienated. They would much rather go to another board and start a monster discussion than go somewhere that the conversation is strictly limited.

Blasko, I'm four years older than you.  I have seen a lot of message boards.  Some have it.  Some don't.  Either way, I don't socialize much online (or in person -- way too busy), so I rarely spend time in the general discussion areas. 

That being said, the General conducted a poll awhile back about the Forum vs. Facebook.  Think about how you can use that interface to interact with other members and do with it what you will.  That's my best advice. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Scatter on April 28, 2014, 06:05:25 PM
That said, I don't know if or when Photobucket might prune old accounts that haven't had any uploads, but it's entirely possible that they could remove UP's photobucket at some point, causing the images to disappear. 

As such, here is a link to Mark's bucket. Please go forth and save any images that they might delete.

[url]http://s363.photobucket.com/user/TheUnknownPrimate/library/?sort=3&page=1[/url] ([url]http://s363.photobucket.com/user/TheUnknownPrimate/library/?sort=3&page=1[/url])


Thanks Bobby! I hadn't considered Photobucket eventually deleting Mark's pics.......which of course they will. Appreciate the heads-up!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on April 28, 2014, 06:10:31 PM
I'm very late to this thread, and I sincerely hope that I haven't contributed to the reasons for the decision. I'd been dormant a very long time and a few weeks ago I started posting hugely in non-monster sections and resuscitating very old non-monster threads and kept them going when they probably should have been left buried. I've read your assurances that it is not due to any one member, but I hope I wasn't too much a part of the Collective.


I would think that it was better to revive an old thread rather than start the same thread over and over again.  Good work on your digging up relics ...  ;D
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Elisabeth on April 28, 2014, 06:57:24 PM
Will there be a forum for members artwork and creative writing?  We have a lot of creative people around here:  Sculptors, Painters, Mask and Toymakers and other gifted professionals.  We also have professional writers who have inspired many monsterkids to pick up a pen and start to write, themselves.  Where do WE post to?

The last story I posted was in GENERAL DISCUSSION, because I couldn't think of any other place to put it.  People seemed to enjoy it, and now it's gone.  It was also on topic.

Isn't it kind of like amputating the whole arm because of a localized infected hangnail?  Yes, I believe a certain thread in MEMBERS ONLY should have been removed.  It got to be annoying, but I can understand why it went on as long as it did.  Personally, I think the parties involved should have been put on moderation...with the strict instructions to PLAY NICE....and the offending thread deleted..

I'm sorry I posted this, but I had to put my tuppence worth in.

"E" ededed :'(
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 28, 2014, 07:11:25 PM
Elisabeth, the Art Gallery is in the Memorabilia section and there is a new Horror Literature section which is currently a child board of that same section.  I don't know if this forum accepts fan fiction or other creative writing, however.  No one has specifically addressed that to my knowledge.  I know some places that do and some that don't.  Regardless, best of luck with the writing! 

Art Gallery: 
 http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=128.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=128.0)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Elisabeth on April 28, 2014, 07:45:47 PM
Thank You, Aura.  What I write is Monster based, or Monster Actor based...(s)

"E"
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: jimm on April 28, 2014, 09:25:06 PM
Good point. Casual enjoyment while discussing monster related subjects is the intended purpose for UMA. It's a cool place to hang out for awhile...but it's just a message board.
True, but while staying with Mom, some times all day, it's one of my favorite pastimes. :)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: horrorhunter on April 28, 2014, 09:33:04 PM
True, but while staying with Mom, some times all day, it's one of my favorite pastimes. :)
I enjoy it too, jimm. I didn't mean to belittle how important UMA is to many of us. I just meant it shouldn't be used as a forum for argument or a snarkfest, and we should just lighten up and enjoy. It's the only message board I even visit.  :)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Dr. Blasko on April 28, 2014, 10:14:06 PM
Blasko, I'm four years older than you.  I have seen a lot of message boards.  Some have it.  Some don't.  Either way, I don't socialize much online (or in person -- way too busy), so I rarely spend time in the general discussion areas. 

That being said, the General conducted a poll awhile back about the Forum vs. Facebook.  Think about how you can use that interface to interact with other members and do with it what you will.  That's my best advice.

I didn't say anything about you not being under 35. I said the crowd is used to forums set up in that way. The ones with a lot of activity that thrive and survive have an all purpose area to funnel off topic discussion. My question is, if you do not socialize online and never use the general boards, why are you even replying concerning something that has zero effect on you then?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 28, 2014, 10:20:21 PM
Hence why I generally avoid general discussion. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: carbon on April 28, 2014, 10:23:25 PM
While it's perfectly fine to archive stuff via the Wayback Machine, we have repeatedly said since the very beginning that monster content will be saved. Not every mention of a monster in a non-monster thread, but monster stuff is not going away.

Also, some other non-monster toys threads, and of course Nutty Mads, Roth, etc.  These questions have been asked and answered a number of times, and consistently we have said they will be saved.

You can find that thread in archived version with some of the artwork missing, or you can find it here, in complete state:
[url]http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=21417.0[/url] ([url]http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=21417.0[/url])


It has indeed been repeatedly stated that monster content will remain, but all the while it's been repeatedly debated exactly what constitutes monster content. The Kong vs. Frank thread seemed certain enough to qualify for inclusion, yet still there were rumblings after its disappearance over whether it would return. Easy remedy to end the rumblings: just archive the damn thing and be done with it. Took less time to archive it than it would have taken anyone to write a post inquiring about its future.

Bigbud's Give Me a Gun... thread is another matter. The thread has nothing to do with monsters; it's devoted to toy guns. Yet it has the word "Monster" in the title. No point spending time mourning its possible loss — just archive it and don't give it another thought.

The whole point of encouraging folks to simply archive the threads they were concerned would be lost was to quell some of the drama. And I'm not so sure it's gonna reduce much of the drama by suggesting that it was unnecessary to archive one of the thread's because after the fact it has reappeared. So I'll still stick to the same advice: When in doubt, archive...and get on with your lives! Of course the belief that some of the drama can be reduced is a pipe dream...I hope I can be forgiven if I'm starting to think of this place as the Universal Drama Army. :laugh:

As far as the notion that images will be lost with the archived files, I opened both the UMA and archive.org versions of the Kong vs. Frank thread and looked at them side by side. No images were lost in the archived version. In fact it had an additional image: the now defunct General Discussion logo! So I opened the archived version in a different browser. Again all of the images were present. I then opened it in a third browser. Aha! Some of the images didn't load. So apparently this is a browser issue rather than archive.org's failure to fully archive the thread. Not terribly surprising, really, since even unarchived webpages can sometimes fail to display images properly in different browsers.

There are a couple of shortcomings with the archive.org web files. Embedded videos won't play; or not for me, anyway. And the pages don't load quite as quickly as the original pages did. This last point could be a matter of life or death if, say, a werewolf is breaking down your door and you need to quickly consult an archived UMA page to find out if it was garlic, a crucifix or a silver bullet that's supposed to offer protection against a werewolf. True-blue monster kids should already know the answer to this, but the stress of the moment could play havoc with anyone's memory.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 28, 2014, 10:42:35 PM
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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Universalrocks on April 28, 2014, 10:43:31 PM
Sorry to post this here but some way I got logged out of the UMA site, that I use through my lap top. I forgot my password and have entered my email for a reset at least a dozen times. But I'am not getting sent a reset email. Will someone in charge look into this. I don't want to be trapped forever using Taptalk. Once again sorry to post this here, but could not figure out how to email the admin from the Taptalk app. Once again sorry to post this here. Thanks

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G730A using Tapatalk

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 28, 2014, 10:59:48 PM
Sorry to post this hear but some way I got logged out of the UMA site, that I use through my lap top. I forgot my password and have entered my email for a reset at least a dozen times. But I'am not getting sent a reset email. Will someone in charge look into this. I don't want to be trapped forever using Taptalk. Once again sorry to posy this here, but could not figure out how to email the admin from the Taptalk app. Once again sorry to post this here. Thanks

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G730A using Tapatalk



Universalrocks, that is a known issue we are trying to fix, but has so far eluded us. I reset your password and sent you a PM
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Scatter on April 28, 2014, 11:29:13 PM
It has indeed been repeatedly stated that monster content will remain, but all the while it's been repeatedly debated exactly what constitutes monster content. The Kong vs. Frank thread seemed certain enough to qualify for inclusion, yet still there were rumblings after its disappearance over whether it would return. Easy remedy to end the rumblings: just archive the damn thing and be done with it. Took less time to archive it than it would have taken anyone to write a post inquiring about its future.

Bigbud's Give Me a Gun... thread is another matter. The thread has nothing to do with monsters; it's devoted to toy guns. Yet it has the word "Monster" in the title. No point spending time mourning its possible loss — just archive it and don't give it another thought.

The whole point of encouraging folks to simply archive the threads they were concerned would be lost was to quell some of the drama. And I'm not so sure it's gonna reduce much of the drama by suggesting that it was unnecessary to archive one of the thread's because after the fact it has reappeared. So I'll still stick to the same advice: When in doubt, archive...and get on with your lives! Of course the belief that some of the drama can be reduced is a pipe dream...I hope I can be forgiven if I'm starting to think of this place as the Universal Drama Army. :laugh:

As far as the notion that images will be lost with the archived files, I opened both the UMA and archive.org versions of the Kong vs. Frank thread and looked at them side by side. No images were lost in the archived version. In fact it had an additional image: the now defunct General Discussion logo! So I opened the archived version in a different browser. Again all of the images were present. I then opened it in a third browser. Aha! Some of the images didn't load. So apparently this is a browser issue rather than archive.org's failure to fully archive the thread. Not terribly surprising, really, since even unarchived webpages can sometimes fail to display images properly in different browsers.

There are a couple of shortcomings with the archive.org web files. Embedded videos won't play; or not for me, anyway. And the pages don't load quite as quickly as the original pages did. This last point could be a matter of life or death if, say, a werewolf is breaking down your door and you need to quickly consult an archived UMA page to find out if it was garlic, a crucifix or a silver bullet that's supposed to offer protection against a werewolf. True-blue monster kids should already know the answer to this, but the stress of the moment could play havoc with anyone's memory.

Thanks for showing us the way!! Will you be our leader?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: carbon on April 28, 2014, 11:42:04 PM
([url]http://guitargear.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/carbon_copy.jpg[/url])


Alright, wiseguy, you had that image ready and were just waiting for the opportunity to use it -- admit it! Be grateful I made it easy for you!

Anyway, funny stuff. :laugh:
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: carbon on April 28, 2014, 11:43:28 PM
Thanks for showing us the way!! Will you be our leader?

You mean King Moderator? Sounds enticing. Depends though. How much does the gig pay?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Anton Phibes on April 28, 2014, 11:44:51 PM
You mean King Moderator? Sounds enticing. Depends though. How much does the gig pay?


A big ole goosegg. It not made of gold either,lol. >:D
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Elisabeth on April 29, 2014, 03:13:35 AM
Thanks Bobby! I hadn't considered Photobucket eventually deleting Mark's pics.......which of course they will. Appreciate the heads-up!


I saved a few of my fav pictures, too, Scatter.  I didn't know Mark anywhere near as long or as well as the rest of you, and yet he made me
feel as if we'd known each other FOREVER.  Some shots of his artwork and of him modeling ....and a "headshot".

The man was "Aces"!

"E" ededed
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 29, 2014, 06:46:04 AM
Alright, wiseguy, you had that image ready and were just waiting for the opportunity to use it -- admit it! Be grateful I made it easy for you!

Anyway, funny stuff. :laugh:


Sort of...   it's a product I carry in my store, so it's always front-of-mind.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 29, 2014, 06:47:17 AM

I saved a few of my fav pictures, too, Scatter.  I didn't know Mark anywhere near as long or as well as the rest of you, and yet he made me
feel as if we'd known each other FOREVER.  Some shots of his artwork and of him modeling ....and a "headshot".

The man was "Aces"!

"E" ededed

Mark was probably the best dude we ever had at the UMA.  We all miss him greatly. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mord on April 29, 2014, 02:02:42 PM
I just discovered this thread (I usually stick to the movies & toys sections) and I really can't believe how heated things have gotten here. I got a headache just trying to catch up. Can't we al just hug it out & talk about our collections & what great (or lousy) movie we just saw? I think I'll go back to the other threads now for a while to get my blood pressure down. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 29, 2014, 03:43:41 PM
Mark was probably the best dude we ever had at the UMA.  We all miss him greatly.
I still want to create a UMA-exclusive memorabilia item for him. Right, now the top choice seems to be trading cards.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: marsattacks666 on April 29, 2014, 05:34:31 PM
I just discovered this thread (I usually stick to the movies & toys sections) and I really can't believe how heated things have gotten here. I got a headache just trying to catch up. Can't we al just hug it out & talk about our collections & what great (or lousy) movie we just saw? I think I'll go back to the other threads now for a while to get my blood pressure down.

I think at this point..... everyone needs a hug. ;D.  Maybe some cake, too?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mord on April 29, 2014, 05:44:41 PM
I think at this point..... everyone needs a hug. ;D.  Maybe some cake, too?
Cake good...fire bad.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Scatter on April 29, 2014, 06:58:33 PM
You mean King Moderator? Sounds enticing. Depends though. How much does the gig pay?

Absolute power is your only reward.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Anton Phibes on April 29, 2014, 07:08:40 PM
I think at this point..... everyone needs a hug. ;D.  Maybe some cake, too?


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2FG0-fv5Y9k/UDBfSzcUMtI/AAAAAAAADAE/T60ra98iknU/s1600/fathersday4.png)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: jimm on April 30, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
I got that trade too AP...love it. Prefer we all hoist a cold ale though :)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: marsattacks666 on April 30, 2014, 11:13:28 AM
([url]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2FG0-fv5Y9k/UDBfSzcUMtI/AAAAAAAADAE/T60ra98iknU/s1600/fathersday4.png[/url])


Is that panel from the Creepshow  comic book?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: horrorhunter on April 30, 2014, 11:26:40 AM
Is that panel from the Creepshow  comic book?
Creepshow trade paperback. Bernie Wrightson art.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: marsattacks666 on April 30, 2014, 11:30:33 AM
Creepshow trade paperback. Bernie Wrightson art.


Okay...... :  )   Where can I find this trade paperback? On his website? I have the Wrightson Frankenstein hard cover.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: horrorhunter on April 30, 2014, 11:50:02 AM

Okay...... :  )   Where can I find this trade paperback? On his website? I have the Wrightson Frankenstein hard cover.

They're OOP and pricey. I didn't check Amazon, but here is a link to a evilBay auction that hasn't hit the stratosphere yet.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/STEVEN-KINGS-CREEPSHOW-COMIC-BOOK-FIRST-PRINT-1982-/261460163828?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ce03d7cf4 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/STEVEN-KINGS-CREEPSHOW-COMIC-BOOK-FIRST-PRINT-1982-/261460163828?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ce03d7cf4)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: horror1o1 on April 30, 2014, 01:53:35 PM
I have very mixed feelings about this. It's good to go back to the roots but what happens when people are tired of talking about the things they have talked about a 1,000 times? I myself have asked questions before and instead of getting active replies have gotten just directed to the topic that has already been covered. not to say thats not ok but it lacks interaction. And unfortunately there's not a ton of monster stuff that is new to keep conversations new so where does that leave us? I really considered UMA a giant family. I want to know how they are doing. Now granted there was some out of control threads lately but I think limiting our topics kinda takes you out of the comfort zone. Just my thoughts
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: ravenloft on April 30, 2014, 02:52:28 PM
So it looks like this will be the line up.

Army Announcements
Induction Center
Vintage Monster Toys
Modern Monster Toys
Monster Kits
Masks and Busts
Memorable Memorabilia
Classic Monster Movies
Modern Monster Movies
Monster Television
Shows and Events
Monsters for Sale
Monsters Wanted

My suggestions for other topic areas.

Monster Kid Memories - for nostalgia related threads about monsters, Halloween threads for current and past costumes and house decorations, threads on how we got started on collecting monsters, etc.
Vintage Science Fiction Toys - for all spacemen, robots, ray-guns, aliens, etc.
Modern Science Fiction Toys - for continuations of the above topic into the modern era to include new Godzillas, Aliens franchise, Predator, etc.
Vintage Prehistoric Toys - For all dinosaur and Pleistocene animals related threads.
Modern Prehistoric Toys - for continuations of the above topic for cool new toys related to our favorite saurians and wooly creatures.

Generally sci-fi toys and dinosaurs are not considered monsters threads including such would muddy the vintage and modern monsters threads. Halloween and memory threads would also cause placement issues as to where to put photos including masks but that may also be just makeup or decorations and to have its own area would help to avoid cluttering up the masks section, the vintage toys section, and the memorable memorabilia section. Memories of former monster kids that visited this forum could also be included there such as threads about unknown primate or the cemetery for deceased stars of monster film and screen.

For the science fiction toys and prehistoric toys sections they would need to be limited in scope to correlate to the mission statement of the forum and for dinophiles, alien friends, and robonuts to get more there may be links to other appropriate forums to satisfy more of those wants.

I stood up for a moment blinking after reading 26 pages about all this. Whoa.
 I understand where some of this is actually coming from; while everyone appreciates a birthday nod, I had to scroll for pages just to find different type of thread in members only area one day, which is precisely when I stopped looking at members only.
I suppose it won't affect me much as I mostly cruise the new and old monster toys areas, but I would be dismayed if general-topic-type-technically-off-topic-but-obviously-related stuff like Halloween decorations isn't included somewhere. Where does one start a general werewolf discussion now? Or are we just supposed to talk about Lon Chaney Jr. only?

I really like Ghost's suggestions quoted above and feel that sci-fi, dinosaurs, aliens, etc. go right along with monster collectors but deserve their own topic rather than be lumped in with Universal Monster stuff.
I absolutely think we should have:
1. a Halloween themed topic for decorations, costumes, events,  etc.
2.generic monsters category (non UM) Harryhausen stuff comes to mind, other good monster miscellaneous such as witches, ghouls, skeletons, ghosts, zombies, monster hot rods etc.
3. Monster kid memories for people to shoot the bull and reminisce about this theater or that where they saw whatever or this store that had the coolest displays and they bought their first monster whatever or met so-and-so monster greats
4. Monsters of myth, legend, ancient culture, modern crypotzoology
5. Monster literature and origins
6. spooky pop culture (could be a catch all for many types of previous difficult to categorize threads) something for ghost stories, cemeteries, jokes, candy, songs, dark rides, haunted house attractions,  board games, greeting cards, etc any random creepy thing that may not be UM monster specific but is clearly thematically related

The only real reason I come/came to this site, is to enjoy and discuss all things monsters. So I support this decision by the powers that be. I do however, sympathize with those who developed web buddies and personal relationships that transcended monsters. Sorry that you guys are bent out of shape or might be leaving because of recent events, but more actual focus and less random is needed here.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 30, 2014, 04:00:48 PM
Where does one start a general werewolf discussion now?

If it's a movie, one of the movie threads. If its a toy, one of the toy threads. Doesn't matter if it's Universal, or Paul Naschy (or Mego, or Sideshow).
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: ravenloft on April 30, 2014, 04:03:05 PM
If it is a discussion of the concept of a mythical creature but is not a movie or toy?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 30, 2014, 04:06:31 PM
If it is a discussion of the concept of a mythical creature but is not a movie or toy?

Have we ever had such a discussion? I'm sure something could be figured out. Could probably be a sub of the literature catagory?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Monsters For Sale on April 30, 2014, 04:08:04 PM

Big Foot
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 30, 2014, 05:58:54 PM
Have we ever had such a discussion? I'm sure something could be figured out. Could probably be a sub of the literature catagory?

Trust me, Mike, we've had the discussion.   ::)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: zombiehorror on April 30, 2014, 06:35:15 PM
Trust me, Mike, we've had the discussion.   ::)

I recall a generic discussion of bipedal vs. quadrupedal werewolves; although it did include various movie references the topic in general wasn't specifically movie related.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 30, 2014, 06:48:56 PM
Absence makes the heart grow fonder. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: carbon on April 30, 2014, 07:47:17 PM
The only time any forum needs to worry about its future is when users lose their passion about it. Fortunately, this thread proves there's plenty of passion out there. Even though this is only a temporary thread intended to hash out the forum's transition, it does have a certain twisted charm of its own. Where else online can we witness the spectacle of flame wars between limerick, dinosaur, pinball and monster factions? I, for one, shall miss it.

But, y'know, there is a way anyone can preserve this glorious thread for posterity. All you have to do is...oh, never mind... ;)

Hugs and cake to all.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: BaronLatos35 on April 30, 2014, 09:15:54 PM
I remember a long time ago Googling about the Universal Monsters since I had also re discovered my childhood Horror Host Count Gore online and came across the UMA. It was exactly what I needed to find.

Someone earlier wrote "we speak a common language" regarding monsters and that is one reason why I keep coming back.

Who else would care if I saw Dracula's Daughter on Svengoolie or I can see the other members that watched it as well? My wife calls it the Monster Club and I love it.

The UMA was always a fun place and for the most part nonsense free. Of course there were fights but overall it was a cool vibe with people who talked about Monsterkid stuff. Recently, it seems to pop up more often.

I have always seen the UMA as my monster escape and I have enjoyed my years here. I have met some great people and learned a lot. At the end of the day, I just want to talk about Monsterkid stuff with cool people.

A few topics that I believe have a place in the new UMA: (I realize some have been mentioned, just my opinion)

- UP's artwork should have a place in our crypt.

- Halloween memories and memorabilia (the Monsterkid holiday)

- Horror Literature- Aside from the obvious, I really enjoyed Elisabeth's stories.

By the way, tonight is Walpurgis Night, UP always made it a point to celebrate it here on the boards. If you choose, toast one to UP for his night.

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 30, 2014, 09:17:41 PM
Trust me, Mike, we've had the discussion.   ::)

I don't pay much attention if it ain't movie related.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 30, 2014, 09:21:26 PM
But, y'know, there is a way anyone can preserve this glorious thread for posterity. All you have to do is...oh, never mind... ;)

To much like work for most people, but they can always be reminded of it if they get to whining.  ;D
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 30, 2014, 09:47:22 PM
I don't pay much attention...

You're better off that way, Mike.   ;) 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: 60sThru80s on April 30, 2014, 09:55:43 PM
Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

For every aphorism like "Absence makes the heart grow fonder," there's always it's opposite. Appropriately in this case, it's "Out of sight, out of mind"  ;)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 30, 2014, 09:57:59 PM
For every aphorism like "Absence makes the heart grow fonder," there's always it's opposite. Appropriately in this case, it's "Out of sight, out of mind"  ;)

If only I could unsee some of what I have seen.   ;D
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 30, 2014, 10:39:52 PM
To much like work for most people, but they can always be reminded of it if they get to whining.  ;D
Mike, I liked your music selections.  I'm always fascinated by other people's musical interests.  But, it's not like it matters. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: The Batman on April 30, 2014, 10:55:49 PM
I have very mixed feelings about this. It's good to go back to the roots but what happens when people are tired of talking about the things they have talked about a 1,000 times? I myself have asked questions before and instead of getting active replies have gotten just directed to the topic that has already been covered. not to say thats not ok but it lacks interaction. And unfortunately there's not a ton of monster stuff that is new to keep conversations new so where does that leave us? I really considered UMA a giant family. I want to know how they are doing. Now granted there was some out of control threads lately but I think limiting our topics kinda takes you out of the comfort zone. Just my thoughts


You made some interesting points.

I have seen what some boards have done to cure this issue.

They just have ONE thread called The Off Topic Thread.
In the Off Topic Thread, people understand they have full freedom to discuss anything from a movie they enjoyed to their birthday or a cool munchie they have discovered, or recipes or photos of their cool pet(s) or their new motorcycle or car, or a new hobby they are enjoying, where they recently took vacation and what they saw there, etc. It would be understood there would be ZERO politics, ZERO religion and ZERO anything else that would be an instant flame topic.

ONE thread to rule'em all for ALL general discussion comments.

Will that happen here?
I doubt it, but I just wanted to throw that one out here.
I will not stress-out whether or not this becomes a thread.

Take a look at how many people need to type off topic WITHIN this thread. Hmmmmm...

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Elisabeth on May 01, 2014, 01:47:42 AM
Batman...That is a BRILLIANT idea!  I'm very fond of this board, but I know very little about things like models, masks and vintage toys.  I just collect photographs, and write.  I do know, though, that we can moderate ourselves:  We're Old Enough to do that.  I also think that we're old enough to take personal "beefs" to Private Message.

One thing I'd add though, is NO "DEAR ABBY" THREADS!  That should go to PRIVATE MESSAGE, or ideally, off Site.  We can't go back to "WHAT WAS"... and "WHAT IS TO COME" sounds terribly empty (at least to me.)  We should, however, be able to reach a happy medium.

We could at least TRY.....

"E" ededed hmjfym ededed
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on May 01, 2014, 06:06:08 AM
One thread for all that isn't monster related? Music? Pets? Etc ..

As much as I respect you,  The Batman .. it would be a mess.  Imagine looking thru pages and pages of stuff that doesn't interest you to find something of interest .. I won't have seen your birds or other cool things.

I was on a forum where new people joined who were trolls calling themselves 'Derailers' and they would use threads as chat rooms, chatting away in the middle of threads with posts such as 'Where' Mel?' which would go on for pages when people were attempting to follow a thread.

I agree that threads that are self serving shouldn't be on most forums but then again, no one is forcing anyone to read ALL threads.  If you don't like animals, it's simple enough not to click on a thread about pets but then again, if you are looking for recipes, you would then have to deal with pages of birthdays and animals.

What is done is done and this is not a plea to change anything, only a comment that your suggestion as well meaning as it is wouldn't be practical.

*I'm not a fan of PM wars and my feelings are that if someone insults you in public that it's dealt with in public, if someone insults you in private, then it's dealt with in private.  That being said PM's are PRIVATE MESSAGES and things said in PM should stay in PM and not posted or brought up in posts.  Now I getting off topic .. carry on ...  8)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: monsterphile on May 01, 2014, 08:06:01 AM
It took me a few days to read through all the posts in this thread.  I wanted to do this fully before responding. 

The big question people were asking was “Why?”  The answer is not simple.  The problem with the overgrowth of off-topic threads reminded me of weeds in a lawn.  When there’s only a few, the lawn still looks OK.  When they are taking over the lawn, not so much.

When a member clicks the “Report a Post” button, the mods get an email about it with a link to the problem thread.  Sure, as individuals we could ignore them and let another mod deal with it, but I think we all try to do our part when we can.  If it’s about a spambot or an accidental double post, it’s not a big deal.  When it’s a conflict between members or about something inappropriate, it’s a lot more of an issue and may require more time and behind-the-scenes discussion. 

The problem is that the off-topic threads tend to be a breeding ground for problems.  Under the guise of humor, people try to squeeze in political jabs, suggestive images/photos that are degrading to women (and I’m not a prude), and jabs at others.  Sometimes it happens in on-topic threads, but off-topic lends itself to it so much more. 

Another problem is the pure amount of clutter that was there.  I’m just going to make up some examples that may or may not have been created.  There was mention of some music in this thread already.  OK, so someone creates a thread about KISS.  Then comes separate threads for favorite band member, favorite album, favorite song, a poll about whether they were better in make up or out, and Did you ever see them in concert?  Then starts threads on the Mego KISS figures, the McFarlane KISS figures, general KISS collectibles, and Showcase your KISS t-shirts.  It could all have gone into one thread about monsters meet rock music.  All of it.  With dozens of individual threads, they get lost and scattered about and then topics start getting repeated.  Of course, this could happen with on-topic threads as well, and I’d encourage members not to start all these little micro topics there either.  A new member shouldn’t have to dig through pages of threads to find the thread about Godzilla toys.  I’ve seen identical photos posted in multiple threads by the same member.  Also, sometimes there’s 15 different angles of the same item.  I’m not talking about just front and back shots, but a left-angled shot and a right-angled shot with one better than the other.  It’s all a matter of self-control.

On page 5 of this thread there was a criticism that Mike Scott is the only mod that posts regularly.  Mike’s schedule allows him the ability to have the time for that.  I wish I could have more time for it, but I don’t.  When I do, however, I’d like to be able to find the topics and threads that are key to the UMA.  Even if I click on “Show unread posts since last visit” there were pages of threads and it was a headache in the making to go through them.  I did read a lot of threads and posts though.  If I didn’t have anything new to add, I didn’t post.  That’s a brain filter that not everyone seems to have unfortunately.

Right now, that’s all I have to add.


Rob
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on May 01, 2014, 08:39:03 AM
Rob,

I'm not disagreeing with anything that you posted but there is also the fact that there will always be a certain amount of 'clutter' in most threads of any nature.  A member posts their artwork, makes a detailed post about their experiences, etc. and people will respond .. often there are multiple posts of praise and/or questions .. long or short.  In a sense, scrolling thru posts of 'beautiful job' , 'I love it' .. etc .. can be time consuming but this is a community where people support each other and wish to show appreciation for the talents and hard work of others.

There will always be posts on any forum of any type that 'push the envelope' ... Your choice as a poster is to ignore it, notify a mod or perhaps stop posting in that thread if the matter bothers you or isn't resolved. 

Dealing with the entire community is a responsibility of the mods and admins and if certain posters or types of posts became a burden, individual posters should've been notified before it was felt that things were going out of control .. perhaps they were as I don't know what happens behind the scenes.

Changes have been implemented and time will tell.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: monsterphile on May 01, 2014, 09:24:27 AM
I'm not disagreeing with anything that you posted but there is also the fact that there will always be a certain amount of 'clutter' in most threads of any nature.  A member posts their artwork, makes a detailed post about their experiences, etc. and people will respond .. often there are multiple posts of praise and/or questions .. long or short.  In a sense, scrolling thru posts of 'beautiful job' , 'I love it' .. etc .. can be time consuming but this is a community where people support each other and wish to show appreciation for the talents and hard work of others.

There will always be posts on any forum of any type that 'push the envelope' ... Your choice as a poster is to ignore it, notify a mod or perhaps stop posting in that thread if the matter bothers you or isn't resolved. 

Dealing with the entire community is a responsibility of the mods and admins and if certain posters or types of posts became a burden, individual posters should've been notified before it was felt that things were going out of control .. perhaps they were as I don't know what happens behind the scenes.
 

Yes, there will always be clutter, but there should at least be an attempt to minimalize it.  Likewise, the 'push the envelope'  posts.  as a moderator, it is part of my duty to help out when I can.  I do know what happens behind the scenes and a lot of it is not any fun when the problems arise.


Rob
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Flower on May 01, 2014, 10:04:13 AM
My feelings about posting are fairly simple.  If I 'error', please let me know the first time or times and don't wait until I've made hundreds or thousands of 'errors' .. this has happened to me elsewhere and by changing the rules in mid stream or waiting to say something, it made it personal and not something being regulated.

Perhaps others feel this way? I don't know.

H.R. work of any kind isn't fun.

Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: CreepysFan on June 02, 2014, 08:44:16 PM
 The Chat Room is pretty much taking up dead space. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on June 02, 2014, 11:19:44 PM
The Chat Room is pretty much taking up dead space.

We have a Chat Room?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on June 03, 2014, 12:02:44 AM
My favorite thread is back... for revenge!   >:D

I think he means the Chatter Box, Mike.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: scott_of_smeg on June 03, 2014, 10:44:29 AM
As with others, my love for Universal Monsters brought me here; but the members kept me coming back.

I had a bit of a therapy session in an Off Topic Thread when I discovered my beloved dog Scarlett was dying of kidney failure. I sat at my computer, with my dog at my feet and opened the flood gates of anger and sadness that I had been bottling up. I truly appreciated everyone's messages and that thread helped me during those trying times.

I took the time to read every response in this thread before posting. I must comment that I am put off by the arrogance of some of the contributors. I get the overwhelmingly warm and fuzzy message of "kick ricks" by some responses to members concerns. If you are concerned about lack time, limiting discussion is a great remedy to slow down an active forum.

I read more than I post and I am very grateful to everyone who have opened up their doors and let us into your homes and families. I am not going anywhere and I imagine my post activity will remain the same, so this isn't some kind of swan song.

In parting I thank everyone for their contributions and to others I would say step back from the ledge a bit. It's just the UMA, after all. =)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on June 15, 2014, 05:55:41 AM
It's been over a month now sense "The Change" was initiated. Must admit, while the world didn't end, I still miss the OT threads. Also, there are posts that I'm now kinda confused about. The news item about the tomb of Vlad Dracula possibly being discovered in Naples was something I thought horror fans would be interested in. But, I really didn't know where it was appropriate. Perhaps we could have a section for Monster-related News?

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on June 15, 2014, 02:57:54 PM
The news item about the tomb of Vlad Dracula possibly being discovered in Naples was something I thought horror fans would be interested in. But, I really didn't know where it was appropriate.

Maybe Horror Literature? I guess "news" is literature?
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Haunted hearse on June 15, 2014, 05:39:46 PM
How about "Monster news", which could be a news item that relates to something horrible.  A good example would be the Vlad Dracula tomb.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on June 16, 2014, 01:21:47 AM
How about "Monster news", which could be a news item that relates to something horrible.  A good example would be the Vlad Dracula tomb.
Instead of the old OT "News of the World" thread, we could have "Monstrous News"! Articles somehow related to the world of monsters. Like Dracula's tomb, the recent story of a 9-foot Great White Shark being eaten by an even bigger Great White, etc. Would also be a good place for news about Cryptids (Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, etc).

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on June 16, 2014, 01:25:25 AM
Maybe Horror Literature? I guess "news" is literature?
That's another thing..."Horror Literature" really should have its own section, instead of being a subsection of "Memorable Memorabilia." Half the time, when I'm looking to post something in "Horror Lit," I have to spend time hunting it down! If "Horror Lit" was its own section, then "Monstrous News" could be a subsection of that topic.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on June 16, 2014, 12:55:08 PM
The new section could be called "The Written Weird." 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on June 16, 2014, 02:09:00 PM
The new section could be called "The Written Weird."

I'm afraid this is going to be the news section.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on June 17, 2014, 02:19:56 PM
I'm afraid this is going to be the news section.
Seriously? I mean, I could see putting it in Announcements, but using this actual thread? I really think a new thread would be much more appropriate.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on June 17, 2014, 05:31:24 PM
Seriously? I mean, I could see putting it in Announcements, but using this actual thread?

Sorry! I thought I was in the "Horror Lit" thread.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on June 17, 2014, 05:40:30 PM
Problem fixed.   ;D

http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=25969.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=25969.0)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Bizarro Jeff on June 18, 2014, 03:17:49 PM
I wondered why I couldn't find The Cemetary or What are You Reading sections...I'll miss them.

Bizarro Jeff
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on June 18, 2014, 04:16:12 PM
I wondered why I couldn't find The Cemetary or What are You Reading sections...I'll miss them.

Bizarro Jeff
"The Cemetery" is in Announcements. "Horror Literature" is in Memorable Memorabilia.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Bizarro Jeff on June 19, 2014, 07:33:07 AM
thanks Count...you da man.

Bizarro Jeff
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Dr. Madd on September 27, 2014, 08:47:06 PM
I know this is not on topic, but here goes: I'm going to a cardiologist Tuesday. They tell me that my heart is slow. This could mean that I am in better shape than I thought- possible given my good Blood pressure and low cholesterol- but it could be something more sinister. Silly as it sounds, What happened to UP kinda lurks in my mind, and worries me somewhat. Be praying for me, folks.

For the mods: I apologize if I misused  this forum in this instance, but we are a community here.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on September 27, 2014, 10:24:47 PM
Hope it all turns out for the best, Doc! Keep us updated.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on September 27, 2014, 10:43:25 PM
Good luck, Madd! Hope all turns out well.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Wicked Lester on September 27, 2014, 11:23:42 PM
Posi vibes goin your way Doc.
 THIS is WHY we NEED an off topic area. We ARE a family and need to know these things.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Zackuth on September 28, 2014, 07:48:54 AM
I'll keep you in my prayers, Doc. 
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Dr. Madd on September 28, 2014, 11:11:59 AM
Thanks, guys. I hope I'll be ok.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: DocTG on September 28, 2014, 05:15:24 PM
this is a truly sad day for me to come back to what i hoped...to be a family reunion...however, seeing what has taken place...has chilled me to the bone...i feel like a stranger looking into the void now.
I was never a big collector, but was indeed a big fan of talking to my friends, enjoying discussions, and of course debating over everything.

I wished the mods would have made a basement where the members can hang out and just be themselves instead of taking away all the fun.
I now understand why I cant find some friends...apparently, they have left :(

i am shocked and saddened...but I hope to reconnact with some of my buddies.

Charles aka Dr.Teufel Geist aka DocTG
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Count_Zirock on September 28, 2014, 05:56:19 PM
DocTG, welcome back! Yes, there have been changes. Some for the better, some...well, opinions vary. And, some folks decided the changes weren't for them. Fester (Dave Hall) and some others have gone. Others still lurk, but don't post as often.

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Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Dr. Madd on September 30, 2014, 08:37:09 PM
Back from doc. heart rate not an issue. Shortness of breath a possible problem. Will head back in a few weeks for stress test and echocardiogram.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: LundyAfterMidnight on October 01, 2014, 09:16:13 AM
Welcome back Doc TG! And healing Peace, Love & Light Dr. Madd!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Zackuth on October 01, 2014, 05:58:01 PM
Glad to hear the ticker's ok.  I'm praying that the shortness of breath is nothing major.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: DocTG on October 08, 2014, 01:52:04 PM
Welcome back Doc TG! And healing Peace, Love & Light Dr. Madd!

Thanks Lundy :)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Dr. Madd on November 22, 2015, 12:05:22 AM
Just now remembered to check in, like a year later. I've been busy last bit. Anyway, The Shortness of breath still there, but the Stress test failed. They couldn't get my blood pressure or pulse high enough to examine it.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Universal Steve on November 22, 2015, 01:06:44 PM
Just take it easy, Doc. I have had a heart attack and died for 3 minutes.  It is scarier than any movie for sure. Keep an eye on those vitals.
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: The Batman on April 04, 2018, 08:12:58 PM
Would be cool to have at least one permanent Halloween category.

It appears just about everyone here likes Halloween. 

Some will leave & some will stay, whatever is meant to be, I guess.



Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Kidagain on April 05, 2018, 08:37:07 AM
Halloween section sounds good to me and I don't think anyone would leave because of it,Halloweens cool!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: marsattacks666 on April 06, 2018, 09:48:12 AM
Would be cool to have at least one permanent Halloween category.

It appears just about everyone here likes Halloween. 

Some will leave & some will stay, whatever is meant to be, I guess.


 ;D
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 06, 2018, 12:53:23 PM
If they add a Halloween forum, I'm out.  Forever.  Non-negotiable.  I would not tolerate such sacrilege at the UMA.   >:D

(So now that I've threatened to leave, maybe they'll add it just to get rid of me.)   ;)
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: Mike Scott on April 06, 2018, 01:34:54 PM
(So now that I've threatened to leave, maybe they'll add it just to get rid of me.)   ;)

New Halloween forum to be added tomorrow!
Title: Re: NON-MONSTER FORUMS TO BE CLOSED AND REMOVED ON APRIL 27TH
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 06, 2018, 06:00:34 PM
New Halloween forum to be added tomorrow!

You're welcome, guys!