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Title: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: raycastile on April 18, 2012, 08:08:14 PM
I returned to Missouri last night after seven days in Burbank for Monsterpalooza.  But, by far, the most unusual part of my Monsterpalooza experience happened today at my home.  I received a visit from armed federal agents.  Before I tell you about them, let me back up.

I had two big boxes of monster toys that I shipped to Burbank to use in the UMA display.  It cost me about $180, including insurance, to ship them from Missouri to California using USPS Express Mail.   Terry and Bobby also shipped big boxes of toys, and ACME shipped huge boxes containing parts for the display fixtures and the giant Marx Frankenstein figure.  Dan Roebuck generously allowed us to use his home address as the collection point for many of these boxes.  Dan loaded the boxes into his van and drove them to the Monsterpalooza hotel for us.  He's one cool guy.

The show ended Sunday night.  I stayed through Tuesday because I knew it would take forever to deal with packing and return shipping on all these boxes.  On Monday I shipped Terry's and Bobby's boxes back to them, and shipped the big Marx Frank to me.  I used USPS Priority Mail for Terry's boxes and FedEx Ground for Bobby's toys and the big Marx Frank.  Everything went smoothly.  No problems.

On Tuesday I hauled my two huge toy boxes to the Post Office down the street from the hotel.  I had them labeled for Priority Mail.  But with insurance, it turned out that the price for Express was only a few bucks less than Priority.  What the heck, I might as well use Express.  So I did.  The lady at the counter was very nice and everything seemed A-OK.  Again, the total price was about $180.  No big surprise.  I shipped the boxes and later caught my return flight home.

Today, Wednesday, the boxes were supposed to arrive by noon.  I stayed home just to make sure I was here to sign for them.  The hour came and went.  No boxes.  I went online and tracked the packages.  One was in Hazelwood, MO.  I live in the St. Louis area.  The other box was listed as still being in Burbank.  What was going on?  It seemed my boxes had been lost or misdirected.

I called the Post Office, both the national number and the local Burbank office, and talked to representatives who did what they could over the phone.  I opened an investigation to find out what happened to the boxes, especially the one still in Burbank.  A guy at the Burbank office said it was definitely not in the building.  I was promised news on my boxes within 24 hours.

Around 5 p.m., the doorbell rang.  My dad was there, so he answered the door.  I heard some discussion.  It sounded like my boxes had arrived.  I went to the door and found my dad talking to two men holding my big boxes.  They asked if we were expecting a shipment.  We said yes.  Instead of handing us the boxes, the men asked if they could step inside.  I thought that was strange, but they were big boxes and awkward to just hand over through the door.  So my dad and I said sure, come one in.

The men stepped inside and sat the boxes down.  At that point, at least two or three other men appeared behind them.  Something strange was going on.  The leader said, "We gotta talk about these boxes."

At that point, at least three men are standing inside the house.  It was then that I saw they were carrying holstered guns.  These were not postmen.  They were young, tall, athletic.  Two had short-sleeve shirts with tiny emblems on the breast.  A third had a more police-like uniform.  At least one other man stood outside the door.

The leader said they were federal agents.  My boxes had been flagged as suspicious.  He asked me what was inside.  "Monster toys," I said.  The agent asked if I meant action figures.  Yes, I said, figures and robots and plastic toys of Frankenstein, Dracula, etc.  He asked if he could open them.  I said sure, go ahead, but be careful.  The toys were very valuable and fragile.

Before opening each one, he asked if there was anything else I wanted to tell him about beforehand.  I said no, they were just monster toys.  I could imagine him ripping into the boxes, tearing the toys apart to see if contraband were hidden inside.  But he opened the boxes carefully and pulled out a few toys.  He saw the Frankenstein Monster Nik and the Marx Mighty Kong.  He stopped searching, apparently satisfied I was telling the truth.

"I bet these are worth some money," he said.

I explained about Monsterpalooza, the display, etc.  I tried to sound as nerdy as possible, which was not hard to do.  Finally, I asked why my boxes had been flagged.

He said the shipping price made them suspicious.  There was a lot of narcotics activity in the area around the hotel in Burbank, he said.  The fact that I was spending $180 to ship the boxes overnight from that location made them suspicious.  I told him the toys were worth thousands of dollars, so I didn't want to take any chances with them.

The agent said that, since 9-11, they were taking extra precautions with security.  I didn't say anything, but I wondered if the fact that I look Middle Eastern had anything to do with this.  What do narcotics have to do with 9-11?  I thought there had to be more going on than meets the eye.  But I didn't stand there arguing with them.  I just wanted them to leave, which they did.

I'm glad my dad was there.  He's an old, paunchy white guy with suspenders and a folksy demeanor.  Definitely All-American.  I wonder how things would have gone if I'd been home alone.  With my beard and complexion, I look like someone on the no-fly list.

Now I am paranoid.  Is it really over?  Are they looking into my bank records?  Are my taxes going to be red flagged?  I still have that big Marx Frank coming via FedEx.  Are those boxes going to get stopped, too?  Are they watching me right now?

The thing that really bothers me is that the agents did not identify themselves before asking to enter my house.  I thought they were mailmen, which I'm sure is what they wanted me to think.  Only once they were standing in my kitchen did they identify themselves as federal agents.  With their guns and physiques, they could have easily overpowered me or killed me if they thought it was necessary.  Again, what if my very white, very old fashioned dad had not been standing there?  What if an agent thought I made a sudden move, or that my description matched someone they were hunting?  What if I'd refused to let them open the boxes?  When a bunch of strange men enter my house on false pretenses, why should I trust them?

Here is a photo of the notorious boxes, taken after the agents left.

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5330/6945886446_a66c188886_c.jpg)


They look scary, don't they?

I had put Dan's return address on the boxes, so I called him and left a message just in case he received a visit.  I certainly hope he is not inconvenienced for having helped us.

In time I might look back on this and laugh, but right now I'm not laughing.  I don't know if the same thing would have happened had I used FedEx or UPS, but I have a feeling this event was a special delivery from the United States Postal Service.  It will be a cold day in Hades before I ship anything expensive through the USPS.  What a great service.  If you use their express shipping, you get a bonus visit from federal agents.  Thanks a lot.  Next time, I'll pass and use FedEx instead.  Heck, all the Post Office workers will probably be laid off by the next show, anyway.


Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 18, 2012, 08:26:07 PM
That's what you get for shipping MONSTERS across state lines!
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: charp13 on April 18, 2012, 08:42:37 PM
Well that sounded like an ordeal! Ray, we appreciate all the work you did on the Best Display Ever! But I hate that you had to go through that nightmare- just trying to get your collection back home! My G_d! Did they not have any kind of screening equipment at the USPS? I would think they would have some kind of "x-ray" machine or something! And the way they got into your home was weird! Your dad must be a cool customer  :)  My dad would have freaked out and had us all in the body cavity search zone!
Please let us know how the Marx robot arrives, and give your monsters a good once over with a magnifying glass. Crazy times!
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 18, 2012, 08:57:30 PM
Funny how Mr. McDougal had less trouble with his monster displays.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: BaronLatos35 on April 18, 2012, 09:08:25 PM
Damn, that is a terrible experience. I'm sorry it happened to you.

Being profiled leaves one with the same feelings of anger, paranoia and what ifs. I know it as well.

Stay up and stay positive.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: ramsey37 on April 18, 2012, 09:35:05 PM
Wouldn't they have been able to open the boxes at the post office if they were suspicious? For that matter, couldn't they have drug-sniffing dogs give the boxes the once-over before delivering them?
George
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 18, 2012, 09:39:43 PM
Wouldn't they have been able to open the boxes at the post office if they were suspicious? For that matter, couldn't they have drug-sniffing dogs give the boxes the once-over before delivering them?
You'd think so, wouldn't you?
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: aura of foreboding on April 18, 2012, 09:44:23 PM
I am very sorry to hear that this happened, and I hope that it never happens again. 
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Moonshadow on April 18, 2012, 10:12:30 PM
Yeah, something's not adding up here. There are a number of ways they could examine the boxes without opening them, to try to determine if they held narcotics, explosives, weapons, etc. I don't blame you for being annoyed Ray. You have every right.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Mego73 on April 18, 2012, 10:36:34 PM
Narcotics are a source of funding for terrorism so they see that as a connection. Did you find out who they were with (ATF, Homeland Security)? I din't think you were profiled as much as the actions you took for shipping made for a flag. You still deserve explanation.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Gillfan on April 18, 2012, 10:46:12 PM
Ray- I certainly understand your concern and your frustration, but I'm also a bit surprised it has never happened to you before.
I used to live in NJ and I would get a visit similar to yours almost once a year.
Apparently if you ship a certain number of packages to certain countries and receive a certain number from certain countries you raise red flags.
Eventually it kind of became a joke and the agents would just leave me a note and ask me to come to the post office when I got a chance.

In a slightly more serious note there was an FBI agent I met when the husband of one of my subordinates robbed a bank. A year later I met the agent again when he was investigating something unrelated and then six months later we crossed paths again in an innocent way. I said something like "We have to stop meeting like this" and he gave me the "Once is a coincidence, twice is happenstance, three times is a conspiracy..." line and was serious.

But back to the post office, I view this as them being cautious and looking for patterns. I don't think it is anything to worry about.


Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: horror1o1 on April 18, 2012, 11:20:01 PM
I once had a postman at the counter ask me many questions about my package just because it had Zombie in the name.LOL!
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: missdead13 on April 18, 2012, 11:30:45 PM
wow Ray.. that sounds crazy, but realistic considering the many encounters I've had with the wonderful USPS. .
one time they made me rip off all the cool monster tape I had on a package, because they said it was not permitted,
"due to stricter regulations they have now since 911", and if anything is " scary" or " skulls " or anything like that whatsoever,
it cant be on there, because it might give them reason to believe its poison/ toxic/ or terrorist related.
sigh.

anyways.. Thank you for everything you did for our display at Monsterpalooza. including all the time & effort you put into
it all,, including "this" incident.

you didnt strike me as the sort of fellow who'd be mailing himself gigantic boxes of drugs from here.or from anywhere for that matter!.. lol
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: FACTO2 on April 18, 2012, 11:39:46 PM
Wow.  Just wow.  Sorry that had to happen to you, Ray.  Thankfully none of the collectables were hurt. 

And by the way, don't they have x-ray machines, drug sniffing dogs and bomb sniffing dogs?  Or is that just on NCIS?  Again, just wow!!!
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Haunted hearse on April 19, 2012, 12:37:55 AM
I returned to Missouri last night after seven days in Burbank for Monsterpalooza.  But, by far, the most unusual part of my Monsterpalooza experience happened today at my home.  I received a visit from armed federal agents.  Before I tell you about them, let me back up.

I had two big boxes of monster toys that I shipped to Burbank to use in the UMA display.  It cost me about $180, including insurance, to ship them from Missouri to California using USPS Express Mail.   Terry and Bobby also shipped big boxes of toys, and ACME shipped huge boxes containing parts for the display fixtures and the giant Marx Frankenstein figure.

Well that was your problem right there.  The Roadrunner has some powerful friends on capitol hill, and the use of ACMe may have led the secret service into thinking you were planning something with the coyote. :P
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Gillfan on April 19, 2012, 06:58:09 AM
MISSDEAD13- Wow, I forgot about stickers! I used some of the skull and crossbones packing tape from Archie McFee to send a Halloween package to a friend in DC and several government agencies were at my home the next morning.


(http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/49/4/AAAAAhTgmbMAAAAAAElPJw.jpg?v=1179284360000)
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Dr. Jitters on April 19, 2012, 12:42:27 PM
Wow!  Sorry that happened to you Ray, but good that it didn't get any more involved/complicated than it was.  And the monster toys came out o.k.!  Don't go changing your hair color or shaving your beard!  :)  Coffin Joe would be disappointed!
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Hepcat on April 19, 2012, 12:59:12 PM
It will be a cold day in Hades before I ship anything expensive through the USPS.  What a great service.  If you use their express shipping, you get a bonus visit from federal agents.  Thanks a lot.

Take comfort in the fact that at least the bastards wasted their time on your case.

 ;)
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Hepcat on April 19, 2012, 01:04:13 PM
MISSDEAD13- Wow, I forgot about stickers! I used some of the skull and crossbones packing tape from Archie McFee to send a Halloween package to a friend in DC and several government agencies were at my home the next morning.

([url]http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/49/4/AAAAAhTgmbMAAAAAAElPJw.jpg?v=1179284360000[/url])


Next thing you know they'll be arresting kids trick or treating on Halloween. You can never be too careful when your department's federal funding is at stake.

 ;)
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: The Invisible Woman on April 19, 2012, 04:00:26 PM
Really, really weird. And they came into your house and everything? Hmm. Sorry to hear about this strange and unfortunate event. Hopefully it will never happen again.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Unknown Primate on April 19, 2012, 05:15:29 PM
You sure it wasn't the secret Brazilian Police, coming to confiscate your Coffin Joe movies?  Seriously, what happened to you sounds quite disturbing.  Glad it worked out (if it has)!
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Monster Bob on April 19, 2012, 05:45:52 PM

Really, really weird. And they came into your house and everything? Hmm. Sorry to hear about this strange and unfortunate event. Hopefully it will never happen again.

And isn't the law just like the Vampire Law? Once you let them in, they can pretty much do what they want?
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: missdead13 on April 19, 2012, 06:10:58 PM
Wow!  Sorry that happened to you Ray, but good that it didn't get any more involved/complicated than it was.  And the monster toys came out o.k.!  Don't go changing your hair color or shaving your beard!  :)  Coffin Joe would be disappointed!

omgosh . i loveee coffin joe..
is there a thread anywhere on it? i have like all the boxed sets, even the rare coffin import one..
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Zackuth on April 19, 2012, 07:34:44 PM
I am sorry to hear about your ordeal.  I don't think you have anything to worry about.  Things looked out of the ordinary, it was investigated and everything is all right.



I explained about Monsterpalooza, the display, etc.  I tried to sound as nerdy as possible, which was not hard to do.  Finally, I asked why my boxes had been flagged.

I laughed out loud when I read this, imagining the conversation:

Yes, Sir.  These are my monster toys.
I shipped them all from California after the monsterpalooza ended.
The monsterpalooza?  Well, it's a gathering of people who all get together and talk about monster movies.  I'm sent my toys to California to show them to my friends and mailed them back to my house.

Although, I bet the agents were thinking "He's got to be telling the truth, because no one could make this up."
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: FACTO2 on April 19, 2012, 08:40:37 PM
Don’t be surprised if you get a call in a few weeks asking if you’d be interested in purchasing a large amount of fertilizer at wholesale.  I’m not kidding.  I got one of those because I was put on a “watch” list.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: The Creeper on April 19, 2012, 09:04:02 PM
Sorry they did that crap to you Ray.  That isn't right, at least they could have identified themselves.  Aren't  they a supposed to do that?
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 19, 2012, 09:43:16 PM
Sorry they did that crap to you Ray.  That isn't right, at least they could have identified themselves. Aren't they a supposed to do that?
They used to, but with the Patriot Act extensions, who knows anymore? He's lucky they didn't decide to do a CAVITY SEARCH.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: raycastile on April 19, 2012, 09:46:47 PM
The thing that angers me most about this experience is that they did not identify themselves before entering my house.  They acted like mailmen delivering my packages.  Once they were inside, they flashed a badge and announced they were "federal agents."  They never said whether they were Homeland Security, ATF, FBI, CIA, SS, KKK, or whatever.  I have no idea what agency they represented.  They were not all wearing the same uniform, so there might have been multiple agencies involved.  They entered my house under false pretenses, then intimidated me with their exposed holsters.  If the boxes had been suspicious, they could have opened them at the post office.  They could have x-rayed them, had dogs sniff them, or done any number of things instead of invading my house.  There was no excuse for it, no justification, no rationale.  All I did was mail some freaking boxes.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Dr.Terror on April 19, 2012, 10:03:17 PM
I feel your pain Ray.   I've had a smilar situation happen years ago and know what its like to feel basically, violated for doing nothing.   I can understand your paranoia with the whole 9/11 thing and them looking into things, but i don't think you have anything to worry about.    My Mothers new fiance is retired undercover narc and I asked him about this.    These guys do this stuff all the time, they know what to look for and can tell if someone if truthful lying, body language stuff, even how the boxes were packed etc most of the time.    Unless they asked to search other areas of your home  I wouldn't worry about it.   I'm sure they know your not doing anything wrong......or are you C:)       Seriously though if they thought even slightly you were doing wrong they would have cuffed and arrested you, then searched everything. 
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: seed_murda on April 19, 2012, 10:51:15 PM
The thing that angers me most about this experience is that they did not identify themselves before entering my house.  They acted like mailmen delivering my packages.  Once they were inside, they flashed a badge and announced they were "federal agents."  They never said whether they were Homeland Security, ATF, FBI, CIA, SS, KKK, or whatever.  I have no idea what agency they represented.  They were not all wearing the same uniform, so there might have been multiple agencies involved.  They entered my house under false pretenses, then intimidated me with their exposed holsters.  If the boxes had been suspicious, they could have opened them at the post office.  They could have x-rayed them, had dogs sniff them, or done any number of things instead of invading my house.  There was no excuse for it, no justification, no rationale.  All I did was mail some freaking boxes.

You never let them in..... They have to identify themselves..... I would've politely asked for my packages and made them work for it. Call the police, file a case etc. Like somebody else said... If they thought it was drugs, the dogs would've surely picked it up. Man just imagine, if they really wanted to, because you let them open the packages and come in your house, they couldve destroyed your valuable packages and searched your home and possibly tore apart your whole house !!! And here is the kicker... because you let them in you gave your right away and they more than likely would laugh it off because they wouldn't be held responsible for anything or any damages. Man I am sorry to hear you had to deal with that !!!!
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Hepcat on April 20, 2012, 08:25:12 AM
The thing that angers me most about this experience is that they did not identify themselves before entering my house.  They acted like mailmen delivering my packages.  Once they were inside, they flashed a badge and announced they were "federal agents."  They never said whether they were Homeland Security, ATF, FBI, CIA, SS, KKK, or whatever.  I have no idea what agency they represented.  They were not all wearing the same uniform, so there might have been multiple agencies involved.  They entered my house under false pretenses, then intimidated me with their exposed holsters.  If the boxes had been suspicious, they could have opened them at the post office.  They could have x-rayed them, had dogs sniff them, or done any number of things instead of invading my house.  There was no excuse for it, no justification, no rationale.  All I did was mail some freaking boxes.

Report your experience to the press. The alternative newspaper in your locale would love your story. At least you'll be able to embarrass whoever was responsible.

These guys do this stuff all the time, they know what to look for and can tell if someone if truthful lying, body language stuff, even how the boxes were packed etc most of the time.    Unless they asked to search other areas of your home  I wouldn't worry about it.   I'm sure they know your not doing anything wrong......or are you C:)       Seriously though if they thought even slightly you were doing wrong they would have cuffed and arrested you, then searched everything.

Nonetheless, they should still be embarrassed.

 ;)
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Gillfan on April 21, 2012, 06:19:52 AM
Actually, police and federal agents DO NOT have to identify themselves, and under some circumstances, are not even required to knock before entering. Remember, much of the "police" work you see on tv and movies is not real. That's why I'm not a lawyer despite having watched Law & Order for nearly two decades.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Hepcat on April 21, 2012, 08:45:24 AM
Actually, police and federal agents DO NOT have to identify themselves, and under some circumstances, are not even required to knock before entering.

 >:(

Any updates, Ray?

 ???
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: seed_murda on April 21, 2012, 09:08:04 AM
Actually, police and federal agents DO NOT have to identify themselves, and under some circumstances, are not even required to knock before entering. Remember, much of the "police" work you see on tv and movies is not real. That's why I'm not a lawyer despite having watched Law & Order for nearly two decades.

Yea sure if they have a warrant they can come on in.... They most certainly do have to identify themselves. Who's to say they were real and not just trying to make a buck?  I know this because I have been in this postion before, not because of tv.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: raycastile on April 21, 2012, 10:13:20 AM
>:(

Any updates, Ray?

 ???


I am in touch with a legal organization.  Not hard to guess which one, but just the same, I'm not saying more about it for the time being.  I don't know if litigation will result, but I am putting wheels in motion.  Bottom line, I am not taking this lying down.  Those cowboys should not have been able to do what they did, the way they did it, for the reasons they stated.  If the law says it's OK, then the law needs to be changed.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Sean on April 21, 2012, 10:19:22 AM
The Feds can get away with a ton.  Did the agents damage your house or property in any way, Ray?  A family member of mine had an experience where they barged into the house with riot gear and weapons.  They had mistaken the house as being inhabited by different rentors.  They had been staking the house out, somehow decided the house and rentors were who they were looking for and broke the door down.  They scared my cousin's father-in-law practically to death and had him cuffed---hands behind back---when his daughter got home.  They didn't clean up when they realized they were wrong and I don't believe the agents apologized too much.  I assume damages were paid for the physical damage to the property, but I don't think much else came of it.

It made the newpapers, but died quickly.

I get anxious when I see a cop in my rearview mirror.  I can't imagine being them or you.  Do what will make you feel better-------but don't expect much to happen.  I hope you're OK, Ray.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: taraco on April 21, 2012, 01:29:46 PM
Ray, given the intensity of the visit -- several armed men entering your house -- I can only conjecture that someone (maybe a nervous postal clerk?), reported not only the 'suspicious' circumstances of changing the mailing conditions, but also, sadly, profiled you.  And I don't blame you for being upset.

Way back in the 1960s, I was a card-carrying hippie but a law-abiding one (well, mostly; heh.)

 Anyhow, one afternoon when I was home from college for the summer, an FBI guy came to the door of my family's house and started questioning me.  Apparently one of the guys I lived with in the 'commune' at college had a brother who was a draft dodger and who had visited Cuba -- which was a way bigger no-no then than it is now -- and had apparently called the house we lived in on the single phone there, or had been called from the phone. Or something like that. Possibly the phone was in my name.

I remember being downstairs talking to the guy with my mother at the top of the stairs saying 'who are you talking to? What's going on? -- and the FBI guy saying sorry to hassle you. And I said, 'Well, I feel I AM being hassled.' I remember that bit of bravado very clearly.

Finally convinced I was clueless, off he went. But my mother was obviously suspicious and angry, I was shaken, and here I am 40+ years later sitting here typing about it.

What bothers me the most about your story is the scale of the visit. Because sadly, of course being on the lookout and vigilance is fine and yes, all people who deal in travel and shipments should be alert. But as many have posted here, there were plenty of ways to check out the packages before the need to send armed men to your father's house.

Maybe it was the UMA part that scared them!! 'Army???'

Be well my friend. And stand tall.

david

Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: raycastile on April 21, 2012, 01:52:28 PM
Thanks David!
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Scatter on April 21, 2012, 02:05:33 PM
Don’t be surprised if you get a call in a few weeks asking if you’d be interested in purchasing a large amount of fertilizer at wholesale.  I’m not kidding.  I got one of those because I was put on a “watch” list.

I told you to stop wearing that turban.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: FACTO2 on April 21, 2012, 03:35:33 PM
I don't wear a turban.  I wear a fez.  Fezzes are cool.   :)

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Fez_aa457e_728324.gif (http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Fez_aa457e_728324.gif)
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Scatter on April 21, 2012, 03:46:20 PM
And here we have the COOLEST fez in creation!

(http://www.stanlaurelandoliverhardy.com/fez1.jpg)

Laurel and Hardy's fezzes from the classic "Sons Of The Desert".

(http://webpages.charter.net/thebrain/Images1/sons4.jpg)

Me wanty!!
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: FACTO2 on April 22, 2012, 12:04:10 AM
LOL.  I like this.  Wish boards had a simple like button.  Oh well.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: judd on April 22, 2012, 08:46:57 AM
You should report this to Fox news.  They love to air stories about government gone wild.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Anton Phibes on April 22, 2012, 12:28:09 PM
United States government agencies seem to go out of their way to avoid "profiling" these days. TSA is a prime example. Randomly searching the leg casts of wheelchair bound children, and forcing elderly women who can barely stand up to strip. They seem very pc. Although the entire affair was an invasion of your expectation of privacy....this is the world post 9-11-2001.  The agent probably told you the truth. Gigantic boxes for quick shipment would seem suspicious if you had been trained to be on alert for such.

After the variety of anthrax scares,uni-bombers, 9-11 attackers etc., I would say delivery people are always on alert. As for the possibility of profiling---the possibility will always exist I suppose to some extent. But I think they want to avoid being involved in such.   My father used to haul freight for the government. He went to a variety of military bases. In their truck, there were a variety of safety and lockdown features, as well as a link for comms and a panic button in case anyone tried to hi-jack their cargo. You have the same complexion as my dad....and they let him onto bases countrywide. Unless you have some proof either spoken or written that they did indeed use profiling---it's gonna be hard to prove. I am glad they didnt tear up any of your stuff though. If they had done that---then a lawsuit might be a little more winnable. Destruction of personal property being involved. Interesting story.



Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Dr. Madd on April 23, 2012, 02:50:34 AM
Welcome to Totalitarian America, and sad to say, it'll be worse before it gets better.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: glane21 on April 23, 2012, 09:19:58 AM
The reason they do not alter the packages in any way and then deliver them to you in person is that if you accept them and confirm they are yours then you are admitting ownership and culpability of anything in them.  That's why they searched them afterward in your presence.  That way the person can't claim that it was shipped to the wrong address or whatever (i.e. some criminals ship packages to vacant houses or houses where they know no one is home all day and then take them off the porch after delivery). They bust people shipping drugs that way.

I get lots of toys from Hong Kong so I'm probably on some list somewhere...
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Gillfan on April 25, 2012, 08:37:16 AM
Some tips on behaviors to avoid:

http://www.takepart.com/article/2012/02/15/you-may-already-be-fbi-terror-suspect-85-things-not-do (http://www.takepart.com/article/2012/02/15/you-may-already-be-fbi-terror-suspect-85-things-not-do)


Oddly, they don't mention the whole package issue.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 29, 2012, 12:33:32 PM
Sorry about all that, Raymond.  How odd.  Glad there was nothing more serious that happened.  You know, if you had innocently reached for something before you knew they were armed, and they had shot you or something. 

There was a story here about some local police that went to serve an arrest warrant or something, went to the wrong house, threw the wrong guy on the ground, his dog saw his master getting manhandled, ran out and they shot his dog.  Then they realized they had the wrong address, wrong house, and left him with a dead dog and no apology.  Indeed, we live in a police state.  Of course, it's all "to keep us safe"....   ::)
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: raycastile on April 29, 2012, 01:01:37 PM
Bobby, when they asked if they could open the boxes, my dad and I said "sure."  We thought they wanted us to open the boxes.  So I walked over to grab a box cutter off a table and my dad reached for a kitchen knife.  Luckily, we did not get shot.  The head agent said, "No, that's OK, we'll open it."  Then he pulled out a knife and cut the tape.  A moment just like that could easily have turned out very differently. 
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Toy Ranch on April 29, 2012, 01:19:47 PM
Yep, a box cutter is what turned our whole country into a police state to begin with....  those are like the most powerful weapon in history.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Dr. Madd on April 29, 2012, 01:26:17 PM
85 things to not do? Why not question why Federal Agents are poking around our mail?
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Hepcat on July 18, 2021, 10:52:28 AM
There was a story here about some local police that went to serve an arrest warrant or something, went to the wrong house, threw the wrong guy on the ground, his dog saw his master getting manhandled, ran out and they shot his dog.  Then they realized they had the wrong address, wrong house, and left him with a dead dog and no apology.

Was that story reported in the press, or just a story going around? Killing somebody's dog is a $millions lawsuit in the hands of even an articling law student.

 ???
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Monster Mike on July 31, 2021, 11:23:46 AM
So, let me get this “straight”, 3 young,athletic,muscular men came to your house,asked you to open your package and show them your monster? And the kept their guns holstered?
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Barlow on October 13, 2021, 01:44:55 AM
The FBI are nothing more than domestic terrorists these days. I'd never have spoken one word to them without  my lawyer present.
Title: Re: My toys have become enemies of the state
Post by: Monster Mike on November 08, 2021, 02:58:38 PM
After reading this story, it’s obvious that the FBI are the real “monsters!”